We Have Mob Rule, Covid Etc So What Would Really Help At A Time Like This?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53009946
....I know lets have an inquiry! Unbelievable, what will an enquiry tell us? people died from a virus! Why is there a call for a public enquiry every time anything happens? madness!

[jim360]

It might tell us if there was more that could have been done to reduce the impact, prevent some of the deaths, and just generally have handled it better.

[bednobs]

I have to agree with you TT. However, I suppose we are both in the lucky position that we haven't lost someone close to us with covid. I can see where the people are coming from, and I feel for them

[10ClarionSt]

There is always a call for a public enquiry so that
no-one can get the blame for anything. It'll all be down to unavaoidable circumstances.

[Ken4155]

Not sure what my response would be to losing a loved one to this virus. Are you absolutely sure of yours, TTT?

[1ozzy]

//what will an enquiry tell us?//

Maybe what actually transpired.

Just a thought, on behalf of a friend.

[Bobbisox1]

The same as “ If we’d gone into lockdown a month earlier, 24,000 people wouldn’t have died”
And they know this how???

[douglas9401]

It'll tell us that panic costs a lot of cash and politicians have no clue what to do about most things.

[jackthehat]

Mrs JtH (who lost her mum to CV19 in April) can't see why there needs to be a public inquiry.

She is furious with the particular NHS hospital concerned but doesn't believe that there will be any accountability there, or elsewhere.

[jim360]

If you can show that the lockdown had an effect, then you can show what that effect would have been on the figures if it had started a week earlier. I wouldn't say we can "know" for certain what the effect would have been, but it stands to reason that if such drastic intervention was introduced earlier then you would have seen the impact earlier too.

[Prudie]

But what's the point? No amount of statistics and conjecturing would actually prove lives would have been saved if it was a week or so earlier - in reality.

[bhg481]

Maybe the enquiry will let us know how to handle things better when another problem arises.

[Peter Pedant]

what do we need at a time like this?
I know
another white supremacist thread

well this is Aryan Bank as TTT might say - still in the EUSSR

No we dont need one Ihear you holler?
too bad - - its heeeeeere !

[ToraToraTora]

jim : 09:35, so it's a, who can we blame, exercise?

[Prudie]

Bhg that part I could understand - but inquiries are usually trying to assign (or hide) blame.

[Peter Pedant]

// If you can show that the lockdown had an effect, then you can show what that effect would have been on the figures if it had started a week earlier.//

and I think we can show - there was little effect and the disease just sort of went away

imagine an infecter - infecting three - how many people have to be infected or are post infected to reduce that to two ?
a third ( then three goes down to two)
so .... a third should have antibodies
and we know how many people are showing antibodies - as many as 0,2%
roughly one hundredth of the level you need
nowhere near

with uncertainty at that level - there is no point in employing lawyer to pone and depone - resile and allege
make the points again
at £300 per lawyer per hour

[Mozz71]

Maybe it will help us in the event of a second wave of Coronavirus, although I can't see what may cause that, given that we're all social distancing so religiously.

Oh, wait.....

[Peter Pedant]

it's - - - - Jim doesnt know
and if he said he DID know - - he still wouldnt know

[jim360]

I don't see it that way at all. In order for there to be no need for a public enquiry you would have to accept that all of the following were true:

1. There was literally not a single thing that could have been improved on, given what we know now;
2. There was literally not a single decision that at the time could have been improved upon;
3. The decision-making process functioned as a perfect fusion of science and politics;
4. The decision-making process and its outcome were perfectly transparent;
5. The implementation of these decisions was flawless.

The fact that the Tories were in power is, to my mind at least, more or less irrelevant. They drew the short straw (or we handed it to them). Moreover, the fact that some of this is hindsight speaking and some is what could, or should, have been seen at the time, is what a public enquiry would be able to sort out. There is no sense in universally defending the decisions of the last few months.

There will be another pandemic in the future. Several more, in fact. We can't walk into those future threats without at least trying to learn something from this one.

[ToraToraTora]

Jim, rubbish, of course there are things that could have been better no one is saying it could have been flawless but we don't have to pay a bus load of lawyers a bag of sand an hour to rake it all over. Totally pointless.

[woofgang]

I used to find the same sort of thing at work. People under stress and in grief mistake doing something for doing something that will change things. The two best exampes that I can think of are these.
I am a retired occupational therapist and used to work with older people who had illnesses or accidents getting them back to live in their own homes wherever possible. On arrival with us they were usually at least pretty tired, often with illnesses/issues that needed to be sorted before they were ready to begin working at self care, walking and so on. Relatives would grab me and ask "have you assessed him/her?" and I would explain that I had gone to say hello and chat but it was too early to start assessing and planning for the future. The relis invarably would ask "how will she get better if you don't assess her" as though the assessment itself was some kind of treatment. It used to happen with major adaptations too. People would get quite upset over the fact that putting in wet rooms, hoists and so on didn't actually make the person better. In the front of their heads they knew it wouldn't work but their feelings wouldn't listen to their heads. I think this poor chap is in the same boat. "Somebody has to DO something"