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No Looting,Rioting Or Wanton Damage
Obviously no death penalty in that particular state. :-(
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doesn't matter how old it is, it is cited to illustrate that when a white man is murdered, there was no world wide outpouring of violence and looting, there was no world wide handwringath
12:57 Wed 17th Jun 2020
Mozz - // Just an aside on a very intelligent post, one of the main things people here have been using to justify Officer Chauvin's actions is that Floyd wasn't that good a person. //
Which as I have pointed out previously on this subject - is no justification whatsoever.
People are not moved down a sliding scale of just and humane treatment on the basis of past illegal activity, which has been paid for according to the justice system.
Mr Floyd may or may not have been 'a good person', but under our systems of law, that does not mean he is one iota less entitled to proper treatment at the hands of law enforcement.
That's leaving aside the notion that the officer in question may have had prior knowledge of Mr Floyd's previous activities and acted accordingly - because the officer is also entitled to exactly the same treatment under the legal system as Mr Floyd - innocent until proven guilty, not choked beyond necessary and reasonable restraint.
Which as I have pointed out previously on this subject - is no justification whatsoever.
People are not moved down a sliding scale of just and humane treatment on the basis of past illegal activity, which has been paid for according to the justice system.
Mr Floyd may or may not have been 'a good person', but under our systems of law, that does not mean he is one iota less entitled to proper treatment at the hands of law enforcement.
That's leaving aside the notion that the officer in question may have had prior knowledge of Mr Floyd's previous activities and acted accordingly - because the officer is also entitled to exactly the same treatment under the legal system as Mr Floyd - innocent until proven guilty, not choked beyond necessary and reasonable restraint.
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Careful Andy. You know what you have said about people starting their sentence with "I respectfully refer you back to the final paragraph of my post at 19:20."
It would appear you believe the youth had mental health issues. May be that is why he escaped a Murder 1 charge. I would of thought he might consider the consequences whilst he assembled his murder kit had there been a death penalty.We'll never know.
What I do recall is that news of a morning hanging in one of HMPs was a rarity on the front page when Capital punishment was used for guilty murderers in the UK.
It would appear you believe the youth had mental health issues. May be that is why he escaped a Murder 1 charge. I would of thought he might consider the consequences whilst he assembled his murder kit had there been a death penalty.We'll never know.
What I do recall is that news of a morning hanging in one of HMPs was a rarity on the front page when Capital punishment was used for guilty murderers in the UK.
retrocop - // Careful Andy. You know what you have said about people starting their sentence with "I respectfully refer you back to the final paragraph of my post at 19:20." //
No, I have no idea what you are talking about.
If you want to derail the thread explaining, go ahead, but please don't worry on my account, I am not remotely interested in you following me around the site picking up things I may or may not have said whenever, and I doubt anyone else cares either.
No, I have no idea what you are talking about.
If you want to derail the thread explaining, go ahead, but please don't worry on my account, I am not remotely interested in you following me around the site picking up things I may or may not have said whenever, and I doubt anyone else cares either.
retrocop - // I would of thought he might consider the consequences whilst he assembled his murder kit had there been a death penalty.We'll never know. //
No, we won't, so my premise remains as far as i am concerned. There will obviously be exceptions, but I believe my reasoning is sound.
// What I do recall is that news of a morning hanging in one of HMPs was a rarity on the front page when Capital punishment was used for guilty murderers in the UK. //
So, relatively speaking, was conviction for murder with a death sentence. No-ne has been hung for murder since 1965, you don't need me to tell you that times have moved on since then.
Capital punishment was not a deterrent then, and it's not now.
It is, however, unreversable - ask the family of Timothy Evans ...
No, we won't, so my premise remains as far as i am concerned. There will obviously be exceptions, but I believe my reasoning is sound.
// What I do recall is that news of a morning hanging in one of HMPs was a rarity on the front page when Capital punishment was used for guilty murderers in the UK. //
So, relatively speaking, was conviction for murder with a death sentence. No-ne has been hung for murder since 1965, you don't need me to tell you that times have moved on since then.
Capital punishment was not a deterrent then, and it's not now.
It is, however, unreversable - ask the family of Timothy Evans ...
I am not derailing my own thread and I am not defending Chauvin either for an unlawful killing. I am pointing out the difference between the aftermath of Floyd's death and the killing of this old man. No Looting or arson.
Obviously Mr Hughes is suffering a sense of humour failure and a short memory tonight. You did reply to a thread and told us what certain replies meant in your opinion. Example. I'm sorry but.......
With respect............ You wrote it recently. Selective memory methinks. Lighten up for chrissake. The remark I made was a joke with no intent to start WW3. Jeeeez
Obviously Mr Hughes is suffering a sense of humour failure and a short memory tonight. You did reply to a thread and told us what certain replies meant in your opinion. Example. I'm sorry but.......
With respect............ You wrote it recently. Selective memory methinks. Lighten up for chrissake. The remark I made was a joke with no intent to start WW3. Jeeeez
//No-ne has been hung for murder since 1965, you don't need me to tell you that times have moved on since then. //
No you dont. I read the papers and see a plethora of shootings and killings in this country every week and certainly they were never that prevalent in the 50s and 60s.
The nearest amount of deaths before were during the blitz.
No you dont. I read the papers and see a plethora of shootings and killings in this country every week and certainly they were never that prevalent in the 50s and 60s.
The nearest amount of deaths before were during the blitz.
retrocop - // You did reply to a thread and told us what certain replies meant in your opinion. Example. I'm sorry but.......
With respect............ You wrote it recently. Selective memory methinks. //
My memory is still better than yours - what I wrote was in indeed 'With respect … ' which usually infers the opposite, but to you I said 'respectfully … ' which means what it says.
If you must tiresomely waste your time in petty point-scoring, at last have the courtesy to do it accurately, and not simply shoe-horn something I didn't say in order to make you look smart - you usually fail.
And FYI, it's not 'your own thread' either.
With respect............ You wrote it recently. Selective memory methinks. //
My memory is still better than yours - what I wrote was in indeed 'With respect … ' which usually infers the opposite, but to you I said 'respectfully … ' which means what it says.
If you must tiresomely waste your time in petty point-scoring, at last have the courtesy to do it accurately, and not simply shoe-horn something I didn't say in order to make you look smart - you usually fail.
And FYI, it's not 'your own thread' either.
retrcop // I read the papers and see a plethora of shootings and killings in this country every week and certainly they were never that prevalent in the 50s and 60s. //
There were more than fourteen million less people in the population then, and obviously with the rise of numbers, comes the rise in crime.
The rise in violent crime coincides with the increase in firearms, and to assume that less gun deaths then than now is because of a deterrent which is no longer in place is reaching beyond the bounds of reason.
There were more than fourteen million less people in the population then, and obviously with the rise of numbers, comes the rise in crime.
The rise in violent crime coincides with the increase in firearms, and to assume that less gun deaths then than now is because of a deterrent which is no longer in place is reaching beyond the bounds of reason.
Most of the killings are done with knives. That is why we have an age restriction on purchasing them. Yes the population has increased but that is no excusae for an increase in murder. Yes we have moved on since the 60s .We have DNA testing which gives almost a 100% match on establishing guilt. Our modern day gangsta makes little effort to conceal his crimes these days and lie low. CCTV everywhere and he boasts of his deeds to all who will listen knowing a short term and more kudos from his pals when released.
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Mozz - // Andy, I agree entirely. I'm just pointing out that many of those on here who are defending Chauvin ARE using that as a rationale. //
I guess that is inevitable.
As experience of debate over a long period of time shows - for there to be a debate there needs to be a minimum of two positions - and one of those can often be created by grasping at an argument that is simply beyond logic and comprehension, but it is offered non the less, and must necessarily be rebutted, which is usually not difficult, except that the other side rarely yield in the face of logic, or even common sense.
I guess that is inevitable.
As experience of debate over a long period of time shows - for there to be a debate there needs to be a minimum of two positions - and one of those can often be created by grasping at an argument that is simply beyond logic and comprehension, but it is offered non the less, and must necessarily be rebutted, which is usually not difficult, except that the other side rarely yield in the face of logic, or even common sense.
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