Sunak’s £30 Billion Furlough Giveaway Abused By Uk Businesses

[Gromit]

6 million people continued to work while on the Government’s furlough scheme. That is a massive amount of fraud, and the Government apparently splashed out tax payers money with very little (or any no) checks.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654405/SIX-MILLION-furloughed-workers-broke-rules-doing-jobs-home-lockdown-major-report-finds.html

Reckless Rishi strikes again!

[dannyk13]

Gromit // very little (or any no) checks//
As usual a ridiculous post. How do think that checks could be made on people working at home?

[youngmafbog]

Once again attack, but no solution. Just what did you want him to do? The rest of the World were doing it and the left and MSM were pushing it.

IMHO we should never have had a lockdown like that. but again the left and the MSM pushed it.

Where Rishi has gone wrong is extending it.

This does appear to be a big problem and HMRC must look into it to see how much foundation there is in the claim.

[ummmm]

I was talking to my OH about this yesterday. Some of the lads he works with have been receiving furlough and have worked the whole time.

I don't really know how it works but our nephew lives with us and was sacked before lock down but was still entitled to it. Not sure if he's still getting it.

[youngmafbog]

It is your duty then Ummm to grass them up to HMRC.

[Gromit]

dannyk13

Don’t check on the employees, check on the businesses that are getting the money. If work is being done, it would be simple to check the economic activity of the business.
I know several people who worked during furlough, going to their work premises in a couple of instances. The employees made nothing out of this, but the employers did.

[youngmafbog]

Have you grassed up their employers to HMRC then Gromit?

If not you really need to shut up on the topic, if you have what was the response from them?

[youngmafbog]

"Don’t check on the employees, check on the businesses that are getting the money. "

I'd be interested to know how you go about that. Maybe possible after accounts but that will be ages off.

[dannyk13]

Gromit// check on the businesses//
And who has the authority to do that and how would they know which businesses to check?

[Gromit]

Ymb,
I have not grassed anyone up because I don’t want my friends to lose their jobs.
A scheme that has no checks but relies on whistleblowers to police it, is fatally flawed.

I will not shut up because highlighting the incompetence of your Chancellor is embarrassing to you. £20billion is a lot of money stolen to turn a blind eye to.

[dannyk13]

//I will not shut up//
That's a shame.

[Gromit]

dannyk13

HMRC had 30,000 tip offs. But don’t have the necessary number of staff to investigate properly. HMRC have greater search powers than the Police.

[youngmafbog]

"I will not shut up because highlighting the incompetence of your Chancellor is embarrassing to you."

You are not embarrassing me in the slightest. You should know by now I am more than willing to hold anyone in the Tory party to account if I think they deserve it. I am not like you.

[dannyk13]

Gromit//HMRC had 30,000 tip offs. But don’t have the necessary number of staff to investigate properly//
Then how do you expect them to investigate businesses then?

[Gromit]

dannyk13

Just ignore my threads. It is not compulsory to join in. Don’t bother reading or posting.

It sounds suspiciously like you approve of this dreadful fraudulent abuse of the Job Retention Scheme. Why else would you not simply condemn the scam?

[youngmafbog]

Gromit, you do realise these are not hard figures but derived from a report from a University study of 9,000 people? It also doesnt seem to break it down too much to understand the definition of 'work' for instance logging in to read emails could constitute work.

This Daily Mail piece (interesting you use the 'Daily Wail' as many of you call it) also stated HMRC is looking at 8000 tip offs. I doubt that nice round figure is accurate either but shows it is being investigated.

What more do you want? What would you have done?

[youngmafbog]

Gromit, why are you getting upperty because people have found glaring problems with your post?

Surely that is why you post something in News - to debate it.

Oh, I forgot, you are left wing so cancel anything that goes against your view.

[dannyk13]

//What more do you want? What would you have done?//
Gromit is not very forthcoming with any solutions.

[Gromit]

dannyk13

You think it is OK to pay out £20Billion in fraudulent claims? The fact that there are no safeguards and the police and HMRC are too busy to investigate (meaning there is a good prospect of getting away with the crime), means it should be swept under the carpet. Really?

[youngmafbog]

No, and refuses to report to the authorities on the very issue he is moaning at.

[THECORBYLOON]

GROMIT, there are checks, "HMRC said about 3,000 letters were being sent each week to companies suspected of over-claiming and ‘sophisticated computer software’ was scanning claims and financial data to find evidence of fraud. Employers have 90 days to correct errors in their claims.

Firms that breached the rules will have to repay the money plus the same amount again as a fine."