So Are Wales Putting Up A Border Or What?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54540764
How do they propose to stop people entering the country? How will they know what part of the UK they started from? Will we see Heddlu road blocks on all roads into Wales? More Covidiocy.

[New Judge]

//Hell, if she wanted to she wanted to she could have a little jaunt over to Snowdon , then return to England at her leisure, which is what the FM of Wales wanted Boris to prevent but he declined, hence the Senedd have introduced it themselves, despite encouraging fBoJo to do the obvious.//

Why is it obvious? A person (or group of people from the same household) living in an English "Tier 3" area can take a trip to anywhere in England and, provided they do not "participate in a gathering" either indoors or out, they do not break the law. Why should that (fairly restrictive) freedom be curtailed at the Welsh border? Why should a family be prevented from taking a stroll up Mount Snowden when they are not prevented from doing the same on Scafell Pike?

[ChillDoubt]

For those who are struggling, this is the crux of it:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-politics-54510235

Sadly, the continued questioning of such legislation and the current mindset of a section of the public will ensure that a difficult winter is indeed very much on the horizon.

I actually advocate sensible precautions combined with herd immunity and natural selection because the present is not sustainable, but I’ll follow the legislation regardless until told otherwise.

[mushroom25]

//Why should a family be prevented from taking a stroll up Mount Snowden when they are not prevented from doing the same on Scafell Pike? //

probably because for much of the summer, Snowdon looked like the photos in this report.....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/snowdon-crowded-queue-wales-mountain-top-a4557246.html

[New Judge]

Yes mush, but my point is, why should restrictions be placed on English people travelling to mountains in Wales and not to Welsh people travelling to mountains in England? The answer lies with devolution which I'm sure was not designed to prevent people from different parts of the UK from moving about to other parts of the UK based solely on whether they are from England, Scotland, N.Ireland or Wales.

[THECORBYLOON]

"why should restrictions be placed on English people travelling to mountains in Wales and not to Welsh people travelling to mountains in England?"

Is it only English folk that will be affected by the proposed ban? That's news to me.

If you want only Welsh folk to be banned from travelling to England, that would be discriminatory if not racist.

If however, you want any folk travelling from Wales to England to be treated in a similar manner, the UK government has the power to introduce similar legislation for England.

[New Judge]

//Is it only English folk that will be affected by the proposed ban? That's news to me.//

Whilst they will be predominantly English, to avoid splitting hairs let's say "people travelling from England" and "people travelling from Wales." There is no border between England and Wales and the Welsh Assembly should not be entitled to impose one - however minimal the chances are of their enforcing it.

//If you want only Welsh folk to be banned from travelling to England, that would be discriminatory if not racist.//

I don't think English/Welsh/Scots/N.Irish count as "races" - certainly not as far as EU law goes. That's why Scottish Universities can charge students from other parts of the UK £9k a year but cannot do so for students from the rest of the EU.

[Togo]

Typical we ... and the respective ruling factions in the UK are at each others throats regarding "illegal" or anti-social movement or transportation of possible carriers of covid. Meanwhile the place that is rife with the illness is allowed to send unchecked, and for the main part uncondemned, hundreds of illegal potential carriers of the virus to our shores. We must be mad.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12941442/france-biggest-covid-spike-30621-new-cases-second-wave/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ, it's not "splitting hairs" and for someone with an interest in things legal, you must know there is a world of difference between English folk and folk from England.

There is various legislation applicable only to Wales and only to England. If there is no border between those countries, what determines the areas covered by that legislation?

[THECORBYLOON]

From February last year,

"A MAN headbutted a police officer and called him a “Welsh b******” after he was arrested in Welshpool for being drunk and disorderly, a court heard.

However, Welshpool magistrates also heard that the defendant himself felt he had experienced racism when a town centre pub refused to serve him alcohol.

Patrick Joseph Stokes, 55, of Leighton Arches, was charged with assaulting PC Baille, in a way which was racially aggravated, in Newtown on November 23, 2018. Stokes initially denied the offence but later pleaded guilty."

It appears then, the Welsh are a race as far as the legislation is concerned.

[Zacs-Master]

This would have been so simple in the 80s. Shellsuited moustachioed curly perm people (curlers in their hair mid day for the ‘ladies’) in 10 year old Skodas.

[THECORBYLOON]

Is that not Scousers?

[mushroom25]

like this, Zacs?

https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=RI1IJPVKUOwBsA

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ, you'll be pleased to know the travel restrictions on folk from certain areas in Scotland, England and the whole of Ulster travelling to Wales also apply to folk from Wales travelling to those same areas.