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I began reading this article with some scepticism but as I continued & looked at the statistics I found it more & more compelling, does anyone else feel this way?
I began reading this article with some scepticism but as I continued & looked at the statistics I found it more & more compelling, does anyone else feel this way?
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That is probably another paywall, but you only need read the headline
That is probably another paywall, but you only need read the headline
Not so easy on a mobile, Jim ...
> > I began reading this article with some scepticism but as I continued & looked at the statistics I found it more & more compelling, does anyone else feel this way?
No. I think if you were truly a sceptic of this article's viewpoint when you started reading it, you still would be by the time you finished it.
> > I began reading this article with some scepticism but as I continued & looked at the statistics I found it more & more compelling, does anyone else feel this way?
No. I think if you were truly a sceptic of this article's viewpoint when you started reading it, you still would be by the time you finished it.
// Occam’s Razor would suggest that most politicians are merely too stubborn to concede they were wrong in their approach to this pandemic.//
entes non multiplicanda sunt ..... no it isnt occams razor
it probably - observation bias ( I think ) - the bias where you have a mind set and so anything that goes against it tends to get discounted
or the thing about Planck - how did you get the old professors to accept your modern quantum theories Herr planck?
Planck: they died
good for covid huh
same thing as Kuhn gettting old professors to accept a paradigm shift.
actually I dont think there is a shift to accept
It is good to see mathematical Jim with all the maff info that he understands STILL unable to sift and judge evidence properly ( an exemplar for us all)
and I THINK that is the effect of the environment of uncertainty and panic. Trump has refused to discredit the theory of Qanun (*) which says that Biden is a child molester and head of a child slavery......
as Naomi says: he might actually believe it .....
you see we olds read Boccaccio's Masque of the Red Death fifty years ago and Diary of the Plague year and asked 1970- - does a bad epidemic REALLY cause crowds to behave like this? - flagellants, children's crusade. end of times - or did they make it up to sell books?
and nope we know the answer now
(*) Qanun - I and a billion arabs are the only ones to know this is an arabic word meaning - law. so did canon go into arabic as a calque to become qanun ? Or did qanun as an idea of codification come into latin and western legal thought? All ask
Note the unconscious islamic smear idea - evil child smuggling - baby killers and those they dont they rope
entes non multiplicanda sunt ..... no it isnt occams razor
it probably - observation bias ( I think ) - the bias where you have a mind set and so anything that goes against it tends to get discounted
or the thing about Planck - how did you get the old professors to accept your modern quantum theories Herr planck?
Planck: they died
good for covid huh
same thing as Kuhn gettting old professors to accept a paradigm shift.
actually I dont think there is a shift to accept
It is good to see mathematical Jim with all the maff info that he understands STILL unable to sift and judge evidence properly ( an exemplar for us all)
and I THINK that is the effect of the environment of uncertainty and panic. Trump has refused to discredit the theory of Qanun (*) which says that Biden is a child molester and head of a child slavery......
as Naomi says: he might actually believe it .....
you see we olds read Boccaccio's Masque of the Red Death fifty years ago and Diary of the Plague year and asked 1970- - does a bad epidemic REALLY cause crowds to behave like this? - flagellants, children's crusade. end of times - or did they make it up to sell books?
and nope we know the answer now
(*) Qanun - I and a billion arabs are the only ones to know this is an arabic word meaning - law. so did canon go into arabic as a calque to become qanun ? Or did qanun as an idea of codification come into latin and western legal thought? All ask
Note the unconscious islamic smear idea - evil child smuggling - baby killers and those they dont they rope
// The story say's the average age of covid deaths is 84.//
I can confirm that report has been around for around a week
but I have not been able to confirm the figures - ONS doesnt have figures in that form
The median is what I would like to see - 50% above and 50% below which is NOT the average
It WOULD support Trump was not really that ill
but would NOT support fat Boris was kept in a heap until he went blue
( why does boris like welsh rarebit - its the only thing we can get under the door)-
what IS clear is that they didnt get it from 80 y olds
we do KNOW there are none under 10 and very few (hundreds) under 50
dont get a political disease - we will never know the answer
I can confirm that report has been around for around a week
but I have not been able to confirm the figures - ONS doesnt have figures in that form
The median is what I would like to see - 50% above and 50% below which is NOT the average
It WOULD support Trump was not really that ill
but would NOT support fat Boris was kept in a heap until he went blue
( why does boris like welsh rarebit - its the only thing we can get under the door)-
what IS clear is that they didnt get it from 80 y olds
we do KNOW there are none under 10 and very few (hundreds) under 50
dont get a political disease - we will never know the answer
ellipsis: //I think if you were truly a sceptic of this article's viewpoint when you started reading it, you still would be by the time you finished it.//
Where have I said I'm no longer sceptical? all I have said is that the statistics (if true) are rather compelling. If less than 1 % of people contracting the disease die & they are largely in their 80s, locking down a whole country & trashing its economy does seem not to be an appropriate action - perhaps.
Would you not agree?
Where have I said I'm no longer sceptical? all I have said is that the statistics (if true) are rather compelling. If less than 1 % of people contracting the disease die & they are largely in their 80s, locking down a whole country & trashing its economy does seem not to be an appropriate action - perhaps.
Would you not agree?
//"Does anybody ever read PP posts?"//
Yes I do (when I can make a little sense of what they say). I do so because they seem very often to imply that everybody who responds on AB is as thick as two short planks and cannot grasp the simplest of principles. He then prattles off into faux Latin and rants with the most obscure soliloquys hoping nobody will be intelligent enough to understand what he's on about (which they usually don't, but not for the reason he believes). This often occurs when the poster disagrees with PP’s point of view. He also often attributes statements to others when they stated no such thing and those accusations are repeated ad nauseum. I am one of the principle victims of this.
//what IS clear is the dead 80 y olds didnt get it from 80 y olds
people knew that really innit//
It is not at all clear. On the contrary, working on the assumption that most people’s social contacts are with others in their own age group there is a very strong likelihood that a dead 80 year old caught the virus from somebody else aged 80 or thereabouts – especially if they lived in a care home which received Covid-infected patients who were chucked out of hospital in the original scandalous panic which bordered on the criminal.
//The median is what I would like to see - 50% above and 50% below which is NOT the average.//
There have been (very roughly to keep the “maffs” easy) 43,000 deaths. Rounding again to keep it easy there have been 11,000 under 75, 14,000 between 75 and 84 and 18,000 85 aged and over. So the median (21,500) lies somewhere in the 75-84 age band. It’s impossible to tell exactly where with these simple figures but since the death rate increases considerably with age and that range covers from 11,000 to 29,000 deaths the median of 21,500 is likely to be towards the higher end of that age range. So it’s unlikely to be much different from the mean average.
So there you have it, Peter. Make a careful note of it because I don’t want you, in a fortnight’s time, to tell the world that I suggested that the median was 124 or 14¾.
Yes I do (when I can make a little sense of what they say). I do so because they seem very often to imply that everybody who responds on AB is as thick as two short planks and cannot grasp the simplest of principles. He then prattles off into faux Latin and rants with the most obscure soliloquys hoping nobody will be intelligent enough to understand what he's on about (which they usually don't, but not for the reason he believes). This often occurs when the poster disagrees with PP’s point of view. He also often attributes statements to others when they stated no such thing and those accusations are repeated ad nauseum. I am one of the principle victims of this.
//what IS clear is the dead 80 y olds didnt get it from 80 y olds
people knew that really innit//
It is not at all clear. On the contrary, working on the assumption that most people’s social contacts are with others in their own age group there is a very strong likelihood that a dead 80 year old caught the virus from somebody else aged 80 or thereabouts – especially if they lived in a care home which received Covid-infected patients who were chucked out of hospital in the original scandalous panic which bordered on the criminal.
//The median is what I would like to see - 50% above and 50% below which is NOT the average.//
There have been (very roughly to keep the “maffs” easy) 43,000 deaths. Rounding again to keep it easy there have been 11,000 under 75, 14,000 between 75 and 84 and 18,000 85 aged and over. So the median (21,500) lies somewhere in the 75-84 age band. It’s impossible to tell exactly where with these simple figures but since the death rate increases considerably with age and that range covers from 11,000 to 29,000 deaths the median of 21,500 is likely to be towards the higher end of that age range. So it’s unlikely to be much different from the mean average.
So there you have it, Peter. Make a careful note of it because I don’t want you, in a fortnight’s time, to tell the world that I suggested that the median was 124 or 14¾.
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