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New Lockdown
What is the new rule about -
-grandoarents providing child care
-Places of worship
Can't see any mention
-grandoarents providing child care
-Places of worship
Can't see any mention
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This was actually online last night which I thought was pretty impressive
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The Government are a shambles. They change their mind every 10 days. The public are fed up of the mess and confusion caused by them.
They didn't have a working Test and Trace so they fiddled the R figure. On the strength of that self deception they eased the first lockdown even though the infection rate was too high. They opened the schools, let planes fly again, told everyone to go back to work, sent the students to University, and paid us to eat out. And because the real R numbers was too high, Covid has spread like wildfire in just 6 weeks. Which means we are going to have to do a nationwide lockdown again.
They will inevitably make the same mistake again. They have plucked a deadline out of thin air. They want normalcy by Christmas. That is not based on science or numbers, it is just wishful thinking. So they will convince themselves in 4 weeks that the situation has changed (it won’t have), and they will ease lockdown2 too early, and by the spring we will have to do yet another full lockdown.
They didn't have a working Test and Trace so they fiddled the R figure. On the strength of that self deception they eased the first lockdown even though the infection rate was too high. They opened the schools, let planes fly again, told everyone to go back to work, sent the students to University, and paid us to eat out. And because the real R numbers was too high, Covid has spread like wildfire in just 6 weeks. Which means we are going to have to do a nationwide lockdown again.
They will inevitably make the same mistake again. They have plucked a deadline out of thin air. They want normalcy by Christmas. That is not based on science or numbers, it is just wishful thinking. So they will convince themselves in 4 weeks that the situation has changed (it won’t have), and they will ease lockdown2 too early, and by the spring we will have to do yet another full lockdown.
Sunk 10.11: I think you have hit the nail on the head and agree with everything you have said. The behaviour or Boris and his merry band of numpties has been dishonourable. Those who wail 'oh he's done his best who could have done better', should look towards Scotland's first Minister Nichola Sturgeon and how she has dealt with the situation, her clear and concise daily updates, taking responsibility, not standing behind a handful of scientists peeping out from behind their skirts. Boris is playing to an ever-decreasing audience and I predict a resignation in the not-too-distant future following a vote of no confidence.
dave50,
Covid-19 is indiscriminate. Everyone can get it, Rich or poor. Some groups might be less financially impacted by locking down again, but that doesn’t mean their willingness to support the measure is wrong.
Covid is a natural disaster, and there will undoubtedly be economic consequences. Arguing we shouldn’t have a lockdown to save the economy, is like telling flood water to recede, or the wind to stop, or the ground to stop quaking. We must accept the economy will be adversely affected. And try to minimise the 50,000 winter deaths that they expect.
Covid-19 is indiscriminate. Everyone can get it, Rich or poor. Some groups might be less financially impacted by locking down again, but that doesn’t mean their willingness to support the measure is wrong.
Covid is a natural disaster, and there will undoubtedly be economic consequences. Arguing we shouldn’t have a lockdown to save the economy, is like telling flood water to recede, or the wind to stop, or the ground to stop quaking. We must accept the economy will be adversely affected. And try to minimise the 50,000 winter deaths that they expect.
APG
// I predict a resignation in the not-too-distant future following a vote of no confidence. //
That won’t happen. Johnson has an 80 seat majority so no vote will be called, and if somehow one was, he would easily win it. Changing the PM would not solve anything because the Government are all singing from the same hymn sheet.
There is a scenario where the country, economy, and public health has a particularly bad next couple of years, and his own party see him as a liability, and the Conservative Men in Grey Suits tell him he must fall on his sword. But hopefully no one is wishing that fate on us.
// I predict a resignation in the not-too-distant future following a vote of no confidence. //
That won’t happen. Johnson has an 80 seat majority so no vote will be called, and if somehow one was, he would easily win it. Changing the PM would not solve anything because the Government are all singing from the same hymn sheet.
There is a scenario where the country, economy, and public health has a particularly bad next couple of years, and his own party see him as a liability, and the Conservative Men in Grey Suits tell him he must fall on his sword. But hopefully no one is wishing that fate on us.
// [Starmer] didn't actually say he would when asked last night if he would support it. And what's happened to Andy Burnham - he's gone very quiet. //
I'm not sure how much clearer Starmer could get than say, "I'm glad the Government has taken this decision." Yes, he also criticised the Government for delaying -- this, in essence, is the same thing he was advocating two or three weeks ago -- but it's clear that he supports the measure.
As for Burnham, he was calling for this sort of measure yesterday too, so he's clearly supportive, but equally angry that the Government was resisting the local support that Manchester would need in Tier 3.
In short, the reason you haven't heard from either is certainly not because they have been silent.
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I'm not sure how much clearer Starmer could get than say, "I'm glad the Government has taken this decision." Yes, he also criticised the Government for delaying -- this, in essence, is the same thing he was advocating two or three weeks ago -- but it's clear that he supports the measure.
As for Burnham, he was calling for this sort of measure yesterday too, so he's clearly supportive, but equally angry that the Government was resisting the local support that Manchester would need in Tier 3.
In short, the reason you haven't heard from either is certainly not because they have been silent.
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Jim360,
Perhaps the reason we didn’t get a full lockdown in England 3 weeks ago was precisely because Burnham and Starmer were calling for one.
Johnson delayed the inevitable out of pigheadedness. Politically Burnham could not be allowed to win, so Greater Manchester were denied a piddling further £5M to cut a furlough deal, and his call for a circuit break was ignored for 3 weeks.
Prime Minister Johnson wins the battle, but loses the war.
Perhaps the reason we didn’t get a full lockdown in England 3 weeks ago was precisely because Burnham and Starmer were calling for one.
Johnson delayed the inevitable out of pigheadedness. Politically Burnham could not be allowed to win, so Greater Manchester were denied a piddling further £5M to cut a furlough deal, and his call for a circuit break was ignored for 3 weeks.
Prime Minister Johnson wins the battle, but loses the war.
// [Starmer] said they would look at the proposals but did not say outright yes of course we will support it. //
I'm struggling to see what's wrong with saying, in effect "we'll look to see what we are voting for exactly before we confirm we'll vote for it."
Besides, the biggest lack of support for this will come from the Tory backbenches. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two junior ministers resigning on Wednesday, too.
I'm struggling to see what's wrong with saying, in effect "we'll look to see what we are voting for exactly before we confirm we'll vote for it."
Besides, the biggest lack of support for this will come from the Tory backbenches. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two junior ministers resigning on Wednesday, too.
When Wales recently went into a circuit break lockdown, Chancellor Sunak told the Welsh Labour leader that there was no extra money for a 80% furlough scheme there.
The same answer to Andy Burnham the Labour Mayor of Greater Manchester when they went into Tier 3 - no more money for you.
But now a national lockdown that will affect Conservative areas is coming in, the extra money has suddenly be found.
The same answer to Andy Burnham the Labour Mayor of Greater Manchester when they went into Tier 3 - no more money for you.
But now a national lockdown that will affect Conservative areas is coming in, the extra money has suddenly be found.
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