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Princess Diana And The Bbc
//Veteran broadcaster Jonathan Dimbleby has openly slammed Martin Bashir over using alleged 'deception and lies' to secure an explosive interview with the 'troubled' Princess Diana in 1995.//
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Tina Brown, former editor of Vanity Fair, says that fake documents used to procure the interview with Martin Bashir led to Diana losing trust in the loyalty of her security officers and dismissing them. Had that not happened, Tina Brown says, Diana would still be alive.
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The BBC is launching an investigation.
Your thoughts?
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Tina Brown, former editor of Vanity Fair, says that fake documents used to procure the interview with Martin Bashir led to Diana losing trust in the loyalty of her security officers and dismissing them. Had that not happened, Tina Brown says, Diana would still be alive.
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The BBC is launching an investigation.
Your thoughts?
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Stories like this one should be brushed under the carpet. If people lose faith in a venerable, upstanding operation like the Beeb, imagine all the thinking that would be going on.
00:55 Tue 17th Nov 2020
Utter tripe. I was a member ,on and off, of The Princess of Wales security team. I have an article which shows some of my colleagues at play with the Princess at a charity In door go cart race. It was Royalty Protection verses her Special Escort Group Protection Team.
The artice,with photo,states that the Princess is seen relaxing with the only people she 'Could' trust.
One of my colleagues was taken from work one evening to the local hospital, where my wife was working, with a suspected coronary incident. I met my wife after her shift had finished and we went to the ward to visit my mate the next day.We joined his wife at the bedside.I looked round and saw Simon Solari ( Chauffeur to HRH) standing at the door with a large hamper of fruit and flowers in his hand.I said to my pal, 'Looks like you have another visitor' and in walked Simon followed by HRH Princesss of Wales.
I still have a commemorative mug in its box she gave me when we visited the opening of a large United Dairy processing plant in Wood Lane,Shepherds Bush. She was presented with three. One for her and Wills and Harry. She gave them to our team on return to Kensington Palace with the remark,'Having seen what you drink out of back in your office two weeks ago I think you need some replacements besides this doesn't match the bone china we have'. She was referring to a visit ,with the two young princes, where they were given a guided tour,gifts and the usual group photograph.
HRH did not ditch us. The Firm ensured that she no longer enjoyed a professional protection package that has served our Royal Family well as we have protected visiting heads of state. We ain't lost one U.S. President yet!
I have no doubt in my mind that had The Princess of Wales still had her Met Police Protection Team in the Alma Tunnel Paris instead of a hotch potch of untrained, uncoordinated amateurs she would be alive today.
As for Bashir. A snide criminal charlatan. I hope he could be charged,along with the BBC graphic designer for using a forged instrument or some similar offence, to obtain a pecuniary advantage and kick someone when they're down.
The only member of her security team,at the time,was Ken Warfe, who would sell his soul to the devil for a quick buck and publicity.
The artice,with photo,states that the Princess is seen relaxing with the only people she 'Could' trust.
One of my colleagues was taken from work one evening to the local hospital, where my wife was working, with a suspected coronary incident. I met my wife after her shift had finished and we went to the ward to visit my mate the next day.We joined his wife at the bedside.I looked round and saw Simon Solari ( Chauffeur to HRH) standing at the door with a large hamper of fruit and flowers in his hand.I said to my pal, 'Looks like you have another visitor' and in walked Simon followed by HRH Princesss of Wales.
I still have a commemorative mug in its box she gave me when we visited the opening of a large United Dairy processing plant in Wood Lane,Shepherds Bush. She was presented with three. One for her and Wills and Harry. She gave them to our team on return to Kensington Palace with the remark,'Having seen what you drink out of back in your office two weeks ago I think you need some replacements besides this doesn't match the bone china we have'. She was referring to a visit ,with the two young princes, where they were given a guided tour,gifts and the usual group photograph.
HRH did not ditch us. The Firm ensured that she no longer enjoyed a professional protection package that has served our Royal Family well as we have protected visiting heads of state. We ain't lost one U.S. President yet!
I have no doubt in my mind that had The Princess of Wales still had her Met Police Protection Team in the Alma Tunnel Paris instead of a hotch potch of untrained, uncoordinated amateurs she would be alive today.
As for Bashir. A snide criminal charlatan. I hope he could be charged,along with the BBC graphic designer for using a forged instrument or some similar offence, to obtain a pecuniary advantage and kick someone when they're down.
The only member of her security team,at the time,was Ken Warfe, who would sell his soul to the devil for a quick buck and publicity.
LB
No. We would not of made her use her Seat belt but she may initially been advised.
If the escort had been conducted correctly there would of been absolutely no reason for her vehicle to be excessively speeding in such a manner that a untrained driver lost control and hit a pillar.
We always used a back up vehicle which would fend off vehicles behind the principles car. They would stop following cars and motorbikes from overtaking the escort and knocking papparazzi off if deemed a threat.The back up cars have a rear pop up matrix sign that flashes 'Stay Back Security' or any other warning and could be programmed (Francais Aussi). It would never be necessary to drive at excess speed with a principal in a car unless they had been taken ill and required urgent hospitalisation. The idea is to get your principal safeley to their destination without being thrown around the car like a pea on a drum.
No Close protection officer woth his salt and properly trained would have allowed Henri to drive at such an unsafe speed in a winding tunnel because speed would not of been of the essence if they had a cpo-ordinated back up car.
I have just read some nonsense on a dubious site that the only reason her former security officer survived in the car was because he was belted up.He may of been belted up but was not a former ex Royalty protection officer from the Met Police. He was a freelancer and ex Military police I believe who obviously had little training and co--ordination with the shower he was given to work with.
Trained police motorcycle out riders control and dictate the speed of the escort
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No. We would not of made her use her Seat belt but she may initially been advised.
If the escort had been conducted correctly there would of been absolutely no reason for her vehicle to be excessively speeding in such a manner that a untrained driver lost control and hit a pillar.
We always used a back up vehicle which would fend off vehicles behind the principles car. They would stop following cars and motorbikes from overtaking the escort and knocking papparazzi off if deemed a threat.The back up cars have a rear pop up matrix sign that flashes 'Stay Back Security' or any other warning and could be programmed (Francais Aussi). It would never be necessary to drive at excess speed with a principal in a car unless they had been taken ill and required urgent hospitalisation. The idea is to get your principal safeley to their destination without being thrown around the car like a pea on a drum.
No Close protection officer woth his salt and properly trained would have allowed Henri to drive at such an unsafe speed in a winding tunnel because speed would not of been of the essence if they had a cpo-ordinated back up car.
I have just read some nonsense on a dubious site that the only reason her former security officer survived in the car was because he was belted up.He may of been belted up but was not a former ex Royalty protection officer from the Met Police. He was a freelancer and ex Military police I believe who obviously had little training and co--ordination with the shower he was given to work with.
Trained police motorcycle out riders control and dictate the speed of the escort
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If you care to watch this clip it will demonstrate how a safe escort is conducted with a member of the Royal Family. No excess speed,no sirens (we used whistles). You will note the back up car (Range Rover) with the rear flashing matrix sign which is flashing 'Keep Back' The motorcycle immediately in front of the Principles Rolls Royce ( called Easy Rider) dictates the speed of the escort as he is counting the motorcycles he has seen overtaking to stop the traffic at roundabouts and junctions ahead of them. If no motorcycles in front he slows down until the others pass to control the junctions.
It takes training and co-ordination and professionalism. We almost know instinctively what the other will do next under any given circumstance.
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Accidents can happen. For example, this incident was on the streets of London, not Paris, and involved Anne, a child of the Queen, not Diana, a divorced daughter-in-law. Anne could easily have been shot:
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And this guy found his way into the Queen's bedroom:
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And this guy found his way into the Queen's bedroom:
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//Accidents can happen. For example, this incident was on the streets of London, not Paris, and involved Anne, a child of the Queen, not Diana, a divorced daughter-in-law. Anne could easily have been shot://
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Perhaps if tyou knew the circumstances of this attempt then you would have found that her protection officer would of been shot and not by the kidnapper. However for his reckless incompetence and craven deceit he was elevated to close protection officer to her Majesty the Queen and given a gallantry medal and the RVO.The whole of the Royalty Protection Team were forced to change,at great expense, their excellent Walther PPK to an inferior 5 shot Model 36 Smith and Wesson as a result of his jackanory to save his own skin.
As it was he received a bullet wound through his own incompetence from the attacker. He could and should of been shot at the Tower.
My source of information was the Royal chauffeur of that car attached to the Royal Mews at Buckingham Palace. This attack was in the early days before anyone apart from HRH Princess Margaret dared ask for a motorcycle escort and the Bodyguard,anti-ambush and many other security courses had been devised.
Once the Queen Elizabeth was reluctantly persuaded to use the Special Escort Group for the first time and literally gave us her Royal seal of approval then every other member of the royal household came forward for our services.
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This is your super hero who was involved in your so called accident.
I could elaborate on the true version whilst you can read his 'version' which makes me vomit.
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This is your super hero who was involved in your so called accident.
I could elaborate on the true version whilst you can read his 'version' which makes me vomit.
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Princess Anne was travelling in her Daimler limo. They were nicknamed the Daimler Goddess. Several were used in the Royal Mews.
They were returning to Buckingham Palace and were in Constitution Hill when the attempted Hijacker came from the horse ride and stood in front of the vehicle. The chauffeur braked. (wrong). Sgt Beaton was in the front passenger seat with his Walther PPK 9mm pistol which is a defensive weapon was so safeley locked in the walnut lidded glove box and not carried on his person.
You might understand why I have no respect for a man who lied and was promoted and decorated for those lies. He told the enquiry,at the time, that he heroically drew his semi automatic pistol and it 'jammed'. He couldn't even reach it. He retired as a Chief Superintendent.
They were returning to Buckingham Palace and were in Constitution Hill when the attempted Hijacker came from the horse ride and stood in front of the vehicle. The chauffeur braked. (wrong). Sgt Beaton was in the front passenger seat with his Walther PPK 9mm pistol which is a defensive weapon was so safeley locked in the walnut lidded glove box and not carried on his person.
You might understand why I have no respect for a man who lied and was promoted and decorated for those lies. He told the enquiry,at the time, that he heroically drew his semi automatic pistol and it 'jammed'. He couldn't even reach it. He retired as a Chief Superintendent.
"Well,for one thing theres the fella asked by Bashir to make up some paperwork.He needs his name clearin"
really? he DID make up fake paperwork though, and is therefore a counterfeiter. What did he think he was making up docs for, a child to play post offices with? He needs his name dragging through the mud, not clearing! I see he says he need compensation too!
really? he DID make up fake paperwork though, and is therefore a counterfeiter. What did he think he was making up docs for, a child to play post offices with? He needs his name dragging through the mud, not clearing! I see he says he need compensation too!
> This is your super hero
What are you on about? Where have I said anywhere that I thought anyone a hero? (although I think the boxer deserved his George Medal and I'm sorry he had to sell it) What I've said is that Diana was not the only one whose security let her down between 1970 and 2000; both Princess Anne and the Queen suffered security failures but, fortunately for them, it did not prove fatal in their respective cases.
What are you on about? Where have I said anywhere that I thought anyone a hero? (although I think the boxer deserved his George Medal and I'm sorry he had to sell it) What I've said is that Diana was not the only one whose security let her down between 1970 and 2000; both Princess Anne and the Queen suffered security failures but, fortunately for them, it did not prove fatal in their respective cases.
Tina Brown's comment regarding "the Princess would still be alive" is clearly based entirely on conjecture, and, as such, will never be proved or disproved. It's as useless as saying "if she'd never married Prince Charles she'd still be alive"- all this is going to do is fuel speculation and cannot offer anything conclusive. It is interesting to see the relationship her sons have with the paparazzi and the press, and the way, for example, Harry, (like his mother) uses the press to his advantage and to espouse his worldview, whilst equally bemoaning the very same press for intrusion into his "private life". Such is the never-ending vicious circle that we saw around Diana, with imperfection and very human failure on all sides.
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