Ethnic Minorities Less Likely To Take Coronavirus Vaccine….

[naomi24]

….according to polling for the Royal Society for Public Health. //The RSPH chief executive, Christina Marriott, said the results of the polling were highly concerning but unsurprising. “We have known for years that different communities have different levels of satisfaction in the NHS and more recently we have seen anti-vaccination messages have been specifically targeted at different groups, including different ethnic or religious communities … But these are exactly the groups which have suffered most through Covid….They continue to be most at risk of getting ill and most at risk of dying. So the government, the NHS and local public health must rapidly and proactively work with these communities.”//

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/16/people-from-ethnic-minorities-less-likely-to-accept-covid-vaccine-says-poll

They're not only putting themselves at risk but others too. Can they be convinced - and if so, how?

[Peter Pedant]

// The MMR / Autism situation isn't completely resolved:
https://www.autismeye.com/vaccine-inoculations-autism///

er this post should carry a health warning.

I am sorry ( not that sorry ) the situation HAS been completely resolved.
Wakefield was struck off ( big deal for the Brits and er Dr W)
and he went off to Amerikee - the land of the Free etc
and the Lancet withdrew his paper - a true "whoopsie we shouldnt have printed this" and THAT has been the most damaging event over there

[Togo]

Just a tip. The main objection, amongst the ethnic anti vaxxers, is the false notion that the vaccine contains "animal parts", namely gelatine derived from Pork. So they are either all Jewish or ... ?
If they continue to refuse the vaccine and find that businesses or Government buildings, including NHS ones, refuse to allow entry will that be racist or a hate crime?

[emmie]

Togo, that's gone right over my head.

[pixie374]

NHS buildings can't and won't refuse patients. And neither should they.
As dave pointed out, there are some vaccinations you need to travel... so that is neither racist or a hate crime. Nobody needs to get on a plane, but everyone should be able to live normally.

[emmie]

whatever normally means in this time

[pixie374]

Google says it was tested on animals first. But the vaccine itself is "vegan".

[emmie]

as per Naomi post some will obviously take some persuading to have it at all.

[Togo]

If some of the anti vaxxers, of any denomination, turn out to be medical staff should they be prevented from treating patients to lessen the risk to the general public? Would you let an avowed anti vaxxer give you a medical examination if informed of such? Or will the anti vaxxers that work in the nhs be allowed to remain anonymous?

[pixie374]

They should be, Togo, as long as they give the right advice and treatment to patients. And usually, they are told what to say.

[emmie]

perhaps they will be allowed to remain anonymous. i really don't know the answer,

[Togo]

It is all well and good giving the "right" treatment and advice to patients, but how would they give advice say to someone who was fearful of the vaccine, for personal or cultural reasons, if the advice is from the nhs is to be vaccinated when they refuse to have it? Not very reassuring is it. No-one should be allowed to work for our nhs if cultural or religious commitments put them at odds with nhs policy. Or is nhs policy "flexible" in some regards?

[Zacs-Master]

Peter P

My link concerns a US doctor called Dr Andrew Zimmerman. Nothing to do with Wakefield.

[Togo]

I don't think that I could give someone "advice" that I didn't believe in. It would be like telling lies for a living. Who could do that?

[drmorgans]

I believe a couple of nurses suffered a reaction to the vaccine and so people with severe allergies were advised not to have it. Also pregnant women.

[teacake44]

I can't believe you've started a thread on this. One of the last comments I seen that you posted a few weeks ago stated that you were sick to death of hearing about covid, so taking that into consideration I will respect you're wishes.

[woofgang]

Togo, my experience in the NHS is that employees have to give the standard advice regardless of their own lifestyle choices....smokers have to tell people the risks of smoking for instance. People whose views diverge from the standard advice either don't work in sectors where they can't support the standard advice or work in areas where it does not clash with their beliefs....so an anti abortionist won't work in clinics where that service is offered but might well work somewhere giving contraception advice.
Its not really a question of lying, unless you are an absolute zealot. There is a massive difference between believing that NO ONE should have a covid vaccine and that you personally don't want one. Of course if you really feel you can't support people making their own choices then you won't be allowed to work where there will be a problem. its my experience that people don't go round giving service users personal opinions as its not what anybody is employed for.

[New Judge]

//..why should one have mistrust in the authorities...?//

I have a mistrust of the "authorities". But it's based on experience rather than culture or religion. The very worst people to entrust with getting anything done are politicians. They're largely unemployable as anything other than politicians and for many of them that's all they've ever done. Most of the "authorities" upon which we all rely are controlled or interfered with by politicians, either European, national or local. Politicians are quite competent at discussing the tariff on raw beetroot with each other over an agreeable dinner, or arguing whether a Scotch Egg constitutes a "substantial meal". But when I see that they will be in charge of anything that matters my heart sinks. That's why I plan for the worst and hope it won't be quite so bad after all.

[pixie374]

Togo, they are professionals. They have to give the advice they are told to.

[Togo]

Jolly good Woof. A smoker, who possibly lives with other smokers, that treats me though is not likely to give me a smoking related disease or illness though. So no reservations there on my part if I am treated by one. An anonymous anti vaxxer, who possibly lives with other like minded anti vaxxers, treating me is a different kettle of fish though.(British fish mind) It is possible for them to give me the covid virus because they have chosen to put themselves into the very high risk group, and are now dragging me into it without my knowledge.

[pixie374]

Not if you are there to have the vaccine, Togo.