Are We Administering The Vaccine The Wrong Way Round?

[naomi24]

Top of the list are the most vulnerable, mostly the elderly who are, in the main, isolating, but if as is reported the young are responsible for spreading the virus shouldn’t we be vaccinating them first, thereby safeguarding everyone else as well as allowing workers to get back to normal and hence, limiting the damage to the economy?

[New Judge]

I'm due to receive mine whilst I am out of the country (if I am allowed to go, that is). That should make for an interesting debate. I wonder, if I don't respond immediately to my call up, I will simply be branded a "refusnik"?

[teacake44]

Well lets face it NJ you've been negative right from the start about the vaccine even being available, now being negative about getting it.

[New Judge]

Leaving aside the health and care workers (who should obviously be the first to be treated, provided they are health workers and not clerks working for the NHS) the idea of treating the oldest with the vaccination first demonstrates to me that the main aim is to prevent people ending up in hospital. Once again, there is no consideration for allowing the economy to return to something approaching normal. Immunise those people who scarcely venture out but who would suffer the most serious consequences if they contracted the disease. Leave to fester a while longer those who really need to get out and about to earn a crust and restore life to normal for their employers' customers.

[Sqad]

NJ

Correct.

[pixie374]

NJ... I usually agree with you on these posts. But, the only real reason younger people have been stopped from working, is to protect more vulnerable ones? They aren't particularly at risk themselves.
Surely if we protect older people by vaccination, we can still get back "to normal"?

[ToraToraTora]

I watched the news videos, they showed it killing the virus not treating the symptoms, end of.

[teacake44]

13.42 NJ, If people don't end up in hospital with covid, will that not leave room for other people who have not got covid to be treated, so is that not a good move??

[New Judge]

//Well lets face it NJ you've been negative right from the start about the vaccine even being available, now being negative about getting it.//

I'm not being negative about getting it. I said when it was first approved that I was delighted to be proved wrong and that I will be taking advantage of it just as soon as I can. It's just that, according to the "vaccine queue calculator" I'm due to be out of the country when my turn comes. Bearing in mind that the programme will be administered (though maybe not delivered entirely) by the NHS, I doubt they will be able to cope with that eventuality. Any dealings I have had with the NHS where appointments are required leads me to believe that their basic assumption is that their patients are simply waiting around to be summoned by them, not having anything else to do. I doubt this will be any different and if you are not available when summoned that's just bad luck.

[Zacs-Master]

'I'm due to be out of the country when my turn comes.'

If you haven't had the vaccine, you probably won't be allowed to visit anywhere abroad.

[pixie374]

Ttt, //I watched the news videos, they showed it killing the virus not treating the symptoms, end of.//

I haven't seen those. But, isn't it the case you have to catch it first, for your body to kill it off? It won't just deflect off you, because of a vaccination?

[New Judge]

//If people don't end up in hospital with covid, will that not leave room for other people who have not got covid to be treated, so is that not a good move??//

Would be were it so. The problem is that most vulnerable and/or elderly people have been so scared witless that the majority of them are leaving their homes as infrequently as possible. If they were not, the death toll would be considerably higher than it is.

[teacake44]

Simply waiting around, may be some are and can't wait to get it. You're choice, wait around or miss it.

[teacake44]

If you want any sort of treatment within the NHS, do you really think they can work round every ones needs of when where, and how.

[emmie]

shouldn't that also apply to those coming into the country, no vaccine no entry - that isn't likely to happen though is it.

[New Judge]

//If you haven't had the vaccine, you probably won't be allowed to visit anywhere abroad.//

Been there, done that, Zacs. Where I plan to visit makes no such stipulation. In fact I don't know anywhere that does yet as they'd simply have no visitors. Entrants are tested on arrival and must either travel immediately to their resort hotel where they must remain until the test result is known or, if they intend touring round, must remain in a single hotel until their results are known

[New Judge]

//If you want any sort of treatment within the NHS, do you really think they can work round every ones needs of when where, and how.//

Yes. That's what taxpayers pay them to do. It's not free, it's a very expensive service. Private providers manage to do that, so should the NHS. Because they don't doesn't make it right or acceptable. It's simply a demonstration that the service is not fit for purpose.

[teacake44]

14.00 NJ,then don't use it, go private.

[Zacs-Master]

' Where I plan to visit makes no such stipulation.'

Yet. I foresee a time, when countries start to see a significant percentage of the population inoculated (say 25%), where countries will say 'no protection, no entry'. Especially for over 60s and people who could have had it and haven't.

[emmie]

zac see my post at 13.56..

[New Judge]

//NJ,then don't use it, go private.//

If I could, I would. That was my first thought when approval was announced. Mrs NJ and I had plans to reduce the burden on the NHS by simply shelling out and having it done privately (as we've had to do when dealing with a number of illnesses and injuries in the past because the NHS could not "work round [my] needs of when where, and how"). But no private organisations are being permitted to administer the vaccine.

//You're choice, wait around or miss it.//

And that's precisely why the NHS behaves the way it does. Consideration for its patients comes a very poor last. "Like it or lump it." And people just lump it.