Are We Administering The Vaccine The Wrong Way Round?

[naomi24]

Top of the list are the most vulnerable, mostly the elderly who are, in the main, isolating, but if as is reported the young are responsible for spreading the virus shouldn’t we be vaccinating them first, thereby safeguarding everyone else as well as allowing workers to get back to normal and hence, limiting the damage to the economy?

[New Judge]

Yet. I foresee a time, when countries start to see a significant percentage of the population inoculated (say 25%), where countries will say 'no protection, no entry'.

Then that won't worry me because as soon as I am able to, I will have the vaccination. But I'm not cancelling what arrangements I have already made (and paid for) to accommodate the NHS who may or may not get round to me any time soon.

[Zacs-Master]

jeez. You get more obstinate every day man. The scientists come up with a vaccine in double quick time and all you can do is complain about inconvenience.

[emmie]

ok i will say this again, we all get the vaccine or as many as humanly possible, what do we do about visitors to these shores where countries have no vaccine requirements, should we stop them from coming here. doesn;t seem likely, so they could be bringing it in with them.

[pixie374]

I'm not sure we can avoid it entirely, emmie. This is why we want the people most likely to be hospitalised from it, protected first.

[emmie]

we get millions of visitors from all over the world, not everywhere is going to vaccinate their citizens, nor can we ask them for some form of proof. So they bring it with them, we are going to take a long while to vaccinate those in the UK who want it. so we are open to infections from those coming to these shores are we not.

[emmie]

isn;t that how it started people coming from Wuhan into the UK

[teacake44]

14.19 NJ, You have a bigger problem than I ever though, you're other arrangements must be mega important, and here's me thinking that the vaccine was top priority . How silly of me.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: "I haven't seen those. But, isn't it the case you have to catch it first, for your body to kill it off? It won't just deflect off you, because of a vaccination?" - yes of course, that's the point. If the virus enters a vaccinated person it'd be like a Spurs fan going into an Arsenal pub on match day. It will be fought off by the immune system, yes a brief infection will be present but the virus will not be able to multiply and do the damage it does. The viruses will get swept up by the immune system or just die naturally.

[pixie374]

It should.... but how long can you still infect someone else for?

[ToraToraTora]

people become infectious when the virus is reproducing and spreading itself, It wont get a chance to do that so I'd say it's minimal and probably a matter of hours.

[pixie374]

Are you sure? Bearing in mind, I'll be seeing vulnerable people... Will they be safe a few hours after I have had it?

[ToraToraTora]

emmie: 14:33, there are already very strict rules for who can fly here now, based on the risk. I'd imagine that would continue. Also airports are testing.

[New Judge]

//...nor can we ask them for some form of proof.//

Why ever not, emmie? That's what it seems may be required of us when we travel elsewhere (see above). There are lots of things the UK does not do when people visit these shores which are easily done elsewhere. Such as make arrangements for health bills to be paid as you step over the threshold of the hospital door. Other countries manage that quite easily and with the minimum of fuss. Why don't we? Proof of vaccination will be the same. We won't be able to manage it because it will be "too difficult."

//you're other arrangements must be mega important, and here's me thinking that the vaccine was top priority . How silly of me.//

Yes, very silly. Having the vaccine is on my "nice to have" list. It isn't my top priority. Are you seriously suggesting that I should cancel whatever arrangement I have for the foreseeable future so that I can wait at home for a phone call/text/letter or whatever that might or might not come, based on the results of a highly speculative prediction which nobody has any idea how accurate it might or might not be?

[ToraToraTora]

pixie no I don't know for sure but from what reading I have done about this, viruses generally and vaccinations I think a vaccinated person will be very much less likely to pass it on whilst they their immune system eradicates it.

[Zacs-Master]

If it's highly speculative, why are you making such a big deal about it coinciding with your trip?

[emmie]

TTT i simply don't believe it. How many people come into UK every day, are you saying we test all them for the virus, or ask them to provide proof they have been vacinated. Yes NJ it will be too difficult but we should do it.

[emmie]

so they arrive and have no vaccinations, do we simply turn them away?

[pixie374]

Thanks ttt x I will double-check anyway. Just wanted an idea.

[ToraToraTora]

emmie I think they have air corridors established with countries considered "safe". Also the airports test departures when they know the destination demands a negative result on arrival so I assume there is a reciprocal arrangement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54604100

[jim360]

Most of the worst damage the virus has done is to those in Care homes, the elderly, etc. Of course they should get the vaccination first. Giving the young the vaccination will likely have minimal impact on its spread, and minimal impact on those who are most at risk of serious illness or death.

The young should of course be vaccinated at some point, but not as a priority.