Belgian Ban On Halal And Kosher Slaughter

[fender62]

i have to agree the ban is correct, animal suffering for some archaic religious belief
this ban should be in all western countries, as a meat eater myself i would not want the animal
to suffer, call me a hypocrite err vegans would but i do actually care about them suffering.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9064255/Belgian-ban-Muslim-halal-Jewish-kosher-animal-slaughter-backed-EU-court.html

[emmie]

barry i said before that if we only knew half of what went on in abbatoirs we would all be vegetarians

[andres]

Tesco,Sainsbury,Morrisons and Waitrose admitted about 2 years ago that they were selling Halal and Kosher meats . They weren't clearly labelled and so people were just picking those meats up and buying them not knowing they were Halal. The supermarkets were then supposed to labeling the Halal meats more clearly but I don't know whether they have done so.
Slaughtering of animals is a horrible way to kill them even if they are stunned first but to hang them up , then slit their throats and let their life's blood drain away is just about the most despicable thing to do to any animal. Halal slaughter is an outdated ,inhumane religious ritual and should NOT be carried out in any country let alone a Christian country like the UK. It's barbaric. Where are the R.S.P.C.A.?

[emmie]

i don;t eat any asian foodstuffs, not because of the halal aspect i just don;t like the food.

[emmie]

andres as i pointed out way back on the thread, it should be labelled more clearly, if its all halal then heaven only knows.

[barry1010]

ladybirder, you cannot believe a word of that rag. NZ slaughterhouses do not pay fees to 'Islamists'.
Waitrose is going to stop selling NZ lamb but not because it is Halal. They are doing it to support British farmers, not just for lamb.
Waitrose has not said that it will not sell lamb that has been slaughtered in the UK under Halal rules.

[barry1010]

Andres, did you not read my link that states that nearly all animals slaughtered in the UK in accordance with Halal is stunned first?

That applies to NZ Halal lamb, too

[emmie]

how do we know that Barry for sure, no more than in the UK> unless there are armies of inspectors who go around the sites checking

[ichkeria]

“ Slaughtering of animals is a horrible way to kill them”

But often unavoidable ;-)

[andres]

emmie--^^ When the Asians started coming to Rochdale in the 60s.They opened several shops . They did have some different foods and were quite interesting shops to visit. However the smell from the meat section was so disgusting it used to knock me sick so I had to stop going to their shops. Goodness knows what they were doing in the rooms behind the meat counter.

[barry1010]

We wouldn't all be vegetarians if we knew what went on in slaughterhouses, emmie. I've been to a few and still eat meat, my friend the slaughterhouse manager eats meat.

There was an interesting documentary on tv a few years ago. It was about fashion students who had a particular interest in making clothes from leather. The volunteered to watch the tanning process from slaughter to finished product. They found it very hard to watch the slaughter and some of them vowed never to eat meat or use leather again.
They all got over that within a week :)

[andres]

barry^^^ There was a slaughterhouse near us where they were literally throwing the sheep around before killing them. Kicking and punching them. Needless to say the slaughter house was closed for a while .Humane treatment my *****.

[emmie]

perhaps we would too, but i just find the whole idea of not stunning animals hard to take. Perhaps i should just go veggie.

[barry1010]

Why go veggie, that's half a job. If it bothers you you'd have to go vegan.

andres, at least that slaughterhouse was closed down, and rightly so.

[emmie]

nope couldn't do vegan - i like fish and even that has its drawbacks.

[barry1010]

Emmie, I will guarantee that any Halal meat that has not been stunned prior to slaughter will not be stocked in any of the major supermarkets or sold in Pizza Express or any other big name food outlet.

That sort of meat will be found only in some Asian butchers and some curry houses.

[barry1010]

Don't eat farmed fish, Emmie.

[emmie]

its why i don't shop at asian butchers barry. I try to eat sourced fish, but even that seems to be with pitfalls.

[barry1010]

You'll have to avoid McDonald's and most take-aways, too Emmie. KFC say only 130 of their 900+ outlets are certified Halal but every KFC sells only Halal chicken. The difference is that the certified Halal ones don't handle anything that may contain pork and everything is Halal approved.

[Old_Geezer]

I think it a brave decision. I'm far from convinced those practices are not cruel. Good luck to them. That other slaughter or husbandry practices could be improved is besides the point. As is suggesting everyone go on faddy weird diets. If an individual wants to, that's their choice, but in nature life feeds on life. The aim is not to be cruel about it.

[emmie]

same as subways the sandwich people, i read they only do halal