The Eu Once Again Shows Us The Bullies They Are And Always Have Been

[Bobbisox1]

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-access-to-pfizer-jab-threatened-as-eu-imposes-new-controls-on-covid-vaccine-exports-12198979

[Mozz71]

//can we take a step back, we ordered a load from them and they ordered a load from us. Lets each just keep what we have and get on with it.//

I agree, although that would go against the entire victim mentality of this thread.

[Mozz71]

Khandro, I expect so, most contracts do.

[Sunk]

TTT,
That is exactly what the EU are being accused of. Apparently hoarding home manufactured vaccine for your own people makes you a bully and a tyrannical regime.

[Bobbisox1]

Sunk your last post to me, I'm happy to debate the issues but kindly don't resort to insults !

[Sunk]

Khandro,
The EU are due 30 million deliveries by March, as I stated at 09:36.

[Sunk]

// Bobbisox1
I am pleased you agree that 400 million doses of UK made AZ vaccine should go to the EU. Even if that means you and I have to wait longer for our doses. Well done you. //

There is no insult in that post.

[Spicerack]

Won't go far with 500m people, sunk. They didn't order enough. That'll be why some German states wanted to follow the UK/US model when ordering vaccines.

[Sunk]

Spicerack
The 400 million doses is what the EU ordered from AZ. They also ordered other vaccines from other companies, just as the UK did.
I’m sure they ordered enough vaccine, but their roll out has been bad, so supply might outstrip their ability to administer the vaccine.

[gulliver1]

10.08." gromit when are you going to put back your avatar" ? John Bull has spent so much time looking down the tunnel with his blinkers on, that he can't find you on this post.

[Spicerack]

The complaints I heard about the EU roll-out preceded the recent production problems.
I suspect big isn't always best in every situation. Could be wrong so I don't want to argue about it.

[tamborine]

We r jabbing more than EU

https://ibb.co/y8tkZgc

[KARL]

Each of the major countries have in total "ordered" much more vaccine than they need. The orders were placed before approval of any of them and often before trials were finished and whether it was known if they would work or be remotely safe. All the "orders" were in fact conditional, a hedge only and dependent on double confirmation if and when - the orders were little more than declarations of intent to book a certain sized place in the queue if one developed. Payment is dependent on delivery and delivery is dependent on confirmation of order. The producers do not suffer any serious consequences of failure to produce and deliver unconfirmed orders (i.e. those not confirmed both ways). If production cannot fulfil expectations then the expectations will have to give way. Failure of one source pushes the buyer toward another source. If he has his own source he is in a position to consider bringing influence to bear on that source. So far I have not seen any suggestion that either the UK or the EU are being singled out for more separation from any particular source than anyone else (any other "outsider").

[KARL]

Additional considerations/complications are that certain entities, EU and UK included, invested very considerable sums of money in the development of the now approved vaccines and could then reasonably feel let down if their place in the queue is being disrespected. There are suggestions that the producers are now finding diversion of promised stock toward another/higher/highest bidder an attractive proposition. That certainly would go against the spirit of all agreements and expectations.

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tamborine

We have given more vaccine than the EU, But that graphic is a bit misleading.
Israel way out in front with 5 times the UK score. But the UK have given 8 million doses compared to Israel’s 4 million doses.

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0496622427_10.jpg

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, there is no-one on the thread using the name "GROMIT", I suggest you make sure you use the correct Username in future.