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perhaps they are embarrassed at their beloved Utopia!
perhaps they are embarrassed at their beloved Utopia!
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Tony Benn, for all his faults, was a life-long opponent of the EUSSR. He once said that he knew of no power outside the Kremlin which exercised such complete control.
00:01 Sat 30th Jan 2021
I greatly enjoyed Arlene Foster fuming about "hard borders" in Ireland, and the fact that actually this was NI being treated the same as the rest of the UK (!)
Their manifesto, surely ...
The big story was really the plan to slap export restructions to all non-EU countries.
Not their finest hour, but I wonder would we be any different should the occasion have arisen? We will have more vaccine than we know what to do with and somehow or other, as I said before, we should all be being more grown-up about this.
Their manifesto, surely ...
The big story was really the plan to slap export restructions to all non-EU countries.
Not their finest hour, but I wonder would we be any different should the occasion have arisen? We will have more vaccine than we know what to do with and somehow or other, as I said before, we should all be being more grown-up about this.
Make no mistake, the European Commission has seriously messed up here, however there was some amateur dramatics going on west of the Irish Sea too: the fact is NI doesn't receive any vaccines from south of the border and would be unlikely to do so.
The real issue is the fact it betrayed a lack of trust between both sides, and to be honest that lack of trust is not one-way.
The real issue is the fact it betrayed a lack of trust between both sides, and to be honest that lack of trust is not one-way.
well free tee - there are european elections and it remainns to be seen ( foo!) whether the voters approve of the covid handling or not
One ( but only one ) article in German - you can see why they Brexitted
and I think there may be a growing set of once-remoaners ( but not now). Both the Fransh and Germans are hand wringing and clucking- "oh how unfortunate it is we dont have the vaccine"
whiich I find totally incomprehensible
( because you can measure as in count up the number of deaths a delay causes)
One ( but only one ) article in German - you can see why they Brexitted
and I think there may be a growing set of once-remoaners ( but not now). Both the Fransh and Germans are hand wringing and clucking- "oh how unfortunate it is we dont have the vaccine"
whiich I find totally incomprehensible
( because you can measure as in count up the number of deaths a delay causes)
//(we would still have had the worlds leading virologists)//
Very true, Zacs. But I doubt we’d have had much in the way of vaccine.
//The real issue is the fact it betrayed a lack of trust between both sides, and to be honest that lack of trust is not one-way.//
I don’t really get your drift, ikky. The EU ballsed up by prevaricating when it came to ordering vaccine. There are now problems in the plants where the majority of theirs was to be manufactured which, had they ordered earlier, would probably have been ironed out by now (in the same way that the problems in our plants were). What they are now “demanding” is that part of the vaccine being made for our order is transferred to them. They say that the health of their citizens is paramount and that they expect their order to be fulfilled even if it means diverting doses from their original destination.
That issue has nothing to do with trust between the EU and the UK. The UK ordered its vaccine and expects its order to be fulfilled before others that were placed later. There’s nothing unreasonable in that. What is an issue of trust is the actions of the EU in instructing Ireland (until they realised their error) to impose border controls on the island in clear breach of the Northern Ireland Protocol. The Commission took this decision without consulting any of its 27 members (most notably Ireland, upon whom the move would have a profound effect), without undertaking the process that is required before such a change can take place and without any debate. They say this is “…in order to avert serious societal difficulties due to a lack of supply threatening to disturb the orderly implementation of the vaccination campaigns in the member states." But they believe it is perfectly acceptable for those same difficulties to be visited on the UK, which has done nothing other than to place a contract and urge that it is fulfilled. To examine it another way, they are still to press ahead with their plans to impose export controls on vaccines produced in the EU. They say this is to ensure the security of supply for vaccines produced within their member states. But when we suggest doing the same they say it is unacceptable. In a nutshell, they are insisting that their requirements are more important than anybody else's are are using unacceptable measures to enforce their will. If there’s any question of trust it’s certainly not at the door of the UK government and the EU's attitude is laid bare for all to see.
Very true, Zacs. But I doubt we’d have had much in the way of vaccine.
//The real issue is the fact it betrayed a lack of trust between both sides, and to be honest that lack of trust is not one-way.//
I don’t really get your drift, ikky. The EU ballsed up by prevaricating when it came to ordering vaccine. There are now problems in the plants where the majority of theirs was to be manufactured which, had they ordered earlier, would probably have been ironed out by now (in the same way that the problems in our plants were). What they are now “demanding” is that part of the vaccine being made for our order is transferred to them. They say that the health of their citizens is paramount and that they expect their order to be fulfilled even if it means diverting doses from their original destination.
That issue has nothing to do with trust between the EU and the UK. The UK ordered its vaccine and expects its order to be fulfilled before others that were placed later. There’s nothing unreasonable in that. What is an issue of trust is the actions of the EU in instructing Ireland (until they realised their error) to impose border controls on the island in clear breach of the Northern Ireland Protocol. The Commission took this decision without consulting any of its 27 members (most notably Ireland, upon whom the move would have a profound effect), without undertaking the process that is required before such a change can take place and without any debate. They say this is “…in order to avert serious societal difficulties due to a lack of supply threatening to disturb the orderly implementation of the vaccination campaigns in the member states." But they believe it is perfectly acceptable for those same difficulties to be visited on the UK, which has done nothing other than to place a contract and urge that it is fulfilled. To examine it another way, they are still to press ahead with their plans to impose export controls on vaccines produced in the EU. They say this is to ensure the security of supply for vaccines produced within their member states. But when we suggest doing the same they say it is unacceptable. In a nutshell, they are insisting that their requirements are more important than anybody else's are are using unacceptable measures to enforce their will. If there’s any question of trust it’s certainly not at the door of the UK government and the EU's attitude is laid bare for all to see.
// Tora - you're not Enoch Powell re-incarnated - are you?//
andie - enoch powell he is not ( american politician about MLK, JFK, someone)
EP was a prof of greek at age 26
the nearest TTT gets to Greek is - - - it's all Greek to me ( er TTT that is) and 100 ABers fall about with laughter
the nearest TTT gets to Greek is - kyrie eleison
which is the only bit of Greek left in the Latin Mass.
er I regret writing that
andie - enoch powell he is not ( american politician about MLK, JFK, someone)
EP was a prof of greek at age 26
the nearest TTT gets to Greek is - - - it's all Greek to me ( er TTT that is) and 100 ABers fall about with laughter
the nearest TTT gets to Greek is - kyrie eleison
which is the only bit of Greek left in the Latin Mass.
er I regret writing that
ToraToraTora - // perhaps they are embarrassed at their beloved Utopia! //
ToraToraTora - // just wondered how proud they must be of their beloved organisation, you know that one they wanted to rule us. //
The European Union and the "B" word etc (I don't swear, never have, never will).. if you ask me, and I know nobody asked me, I'm just saying.. H.G. Wells wrote A Modern Utopia ("not so much a modern as a postmodern utopia."), none of your ancient old Thomas More's Utopia published in 1516.. HG had it all worked out, we've gone off course for our destiny of a 'bright shiny Star Trek future'.. we need to get past being tied up with all this 'countries, borders, governing organisations' etc etc.. we need a World State!
I don't subscribe to this pointless bickering, just check out A Different Bias on Youtube, he makes a lot of sense! ;O)
ToraToraTora - // just wondered how proud they must be of their beloved organisation, you know that one they wanted to rule us. //
The European Union and the "B" word etc (I don't swear, never have, never will).. if you ask me, and I know nobody asked me, I'm just saying.. H.G. Wells wrote A Modern Utopia ("not so much a modern as a postmodern utopia."), none of your ancient old Thomas More's Utopia published in 1516.. HG had it all worked out, we've gone off course for our destiny of a 'bright shiny Star Trek future'.. we need to get past being tied up with all this 'countries, borders, governing organisations' etc etc.. we need a World State!
I don't subscribe to this pointless bickering, just check out A Different Bias on Youtube, he makes a lot of sense! ;O)
TTT; why do you nearly always post with a rude and provocative wording? I've seen you claim that you are never the first one to be rude, but it seems to me that it's always you who starts it. You seem to be a bit like Theland sometimes; you wind people up then protest that they are picking on you when they object.
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