Easing Of Lockdown.

[10ClarionSt]

Ahead of the govt announcemnet today, I give you this quote from The Sunday Times of Feb 14th:

"The deaths from Covid have been, across the year, not much more than double the number of excess winter deaths in a bad flu year. We impose no restrictions on the population for seasonal flu, but close society down entirely for Covid. That makes little logical sense. Still less when you add in the 225,000 operations cancelled as a consequence of lockdown.
By the end of this month, the NHS will be under scarcely any greater pressure than it is normally at the beginning of March, given the decrease in infections. The elderly will have been vaccinated.
So who, exactly, is it that we're protecting? Is the plan to create a country in which people die happily of many things, as they always have, but never, mercifully, of Covid"

No mention either of the billions paid out in fraudulent business claims during lockdown. Money that should have gone to the NHS in the first place.
The figures are as high as they are BECAUSE of the govt and "the science", not IN SPITE of them.
But if everyone is happy to continue in lockdown, then stay in lockdown. If everyone believes all the publicity and propaganda from the govt, then stay with it. You think you know it makes sense. Don't you? Apart from that, everything's fine thanks. :o)

[Sqad]

TTT.....I agree with your post entirely BUT...get your facts right. I cannot help you if you disbelieve my statements.

[Sunk]

// not much more than double the number of excess winter deaths in a bad flu year. //

The last bad flu year was 1999/2000 when we had an Australian variant - 22,000 died.
Covid has killed 120,000+ in less than a year.

I’m surprise at the Sunday Times spreading false information.

[ummmm]

Not everything about the NHS is perfect. I've stayed on brilliant wards but they do fail at times. Last time I was in I couldn't even get any painkillers!

Saying that doesn't make me anti British and I'm not even British. I love this country, I'd love it more if it was warmer.

[ToraToraTora]

sqad: "TTT.....I agree with your post entirely BUT...get your facts right. I cannot help you if you disbelieve my statements. " - what facts? what statements? you have given us neither.

[ToraToraTora]

ummmm: we all have criticisms of the NHS, but we don't twist every post around to knock it. We don't go out of our way to belittle and denigrate it. sqad does.

[ummmm]

He lived in Spain. I was in hospital in Spain and there's no comparison.

[Untitled]

"It's my right to address the balance and I will never let the anti British go unchallenged that is also my right"

is sqad "anti-British" because he criticises the NHS? i don't think so.

You need to get out of childish name calling and into using reason.

[ToraToraTora]

what's different ummmm? I assume you had the right paperwork?

[Untitled]

"I’m surprise at the Sunday Times spreading false information"

It's tory... you can't expect much else unfortunately.

[ToraToraTora]

"is sqad "anti-British" because he criticises the NHS? i don't think so. " - well that's one reason but there is a streak running through people like him like a stick of rock. I can smell them a mile away. Ummmm is another, she thinks she's pro British but always sides with foreigners.

[ToraToraTora]

don't worry most of my answers on here will be gone when the ed sees them. All that'll be left will be the ones being rude to me or the country.

[ummmm]

By paperwork I assume you mean insurance?

I don't side with foreigners. People who have applied to come here legally who have skills, I accept. I think this country is too lenient on illegals who don't pay tax or NI, and the people who house them where they're living in disgusting conditions, they should be punished.

I have a different opinion to asylum seekers.

[Sunk]

The article in the Sunday Times is an Opinion Piece by Rod Liddle, an editor for the right wing Spectator magazine. He is a well known crackpot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Liddle

He was the first UK journalist censured by the press complaints commission for a blog post which was untruthful.
During the Stephen Lawrence trial the Spectator was fined £5,000 for a Liddle article.

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emmie 10 years ago: Tue 22nd Nov 2011

// [Rod Liddle] is some piece of work, going on the stuff I just looked at you would take him for a right wing member of the BNP. //

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1078441.html

[ichkeria]

Not sure about crackpot but he’s always been unpleasant.
He had a long-running feud with Alistair Campbell which I think started amiably enough with jokes about Millwall and Burnley their respective football teams. And then got nasty.
Campbell has despite his early differences with the press proved one of the good guys.
Liddle comes across as an *** of the first order

[Sunk]

Rod Liddle a year ago.

// The left thinks that the 500,000 [deaths] figure is an underestimate: they yearn for disaster, to believe that it is happening, that we are all doomed and it serves us right. //

The current death toll (2,500,000) is 5 times greater than the 500K figure that Liddle scoffed at a year ago.

// The right challenge the headlines and the experts, suggesting that people are dying more rapidly of other ailments and that the stats for Covid-19 so far don’t add up to a hill of beans, in the grand scheme of things. //

Here are your opinions from a year ago...

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1697714.html

[ichkeria]

Ah yes I remember that, and his odd comment about the death toll in Iran.
It was despite, what he and others said then, rather high and still is.
What on earth that proves or disproves I have no idea other than confirming my *** suspicion.

[jim360]

// Rod Liddle a year ago.

// The left thinks that the 500,000 [deaths] figure is an underestimate: they yearn for disaster, to believe that it is happening, that we are all doomed and it serves us right. //

The current death toll (2,500,000) is 5 times greater than the 500K figure that Liddle scoffed at a year ago. //

I have no particular interest in defending Rod Liddle, but, surely, in this case, the 500k figure was a projection for the UK alone, in the scenario where nothing was done, and the 2.5 million figure is a reference to the world to date? They aren't comparable.

[jim360]

"Clarion, you repeatedly make some interesting points."

No he doesn't. "Not much more than double" is a curious way of describing the worst winter in recent memory. There's also no substance to the claim that less radical interventions would have reduced the death toll from Covid -- indeed, it defies common sense and isn't worth addressing beyond describing the suggestion as utter nonsense.

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jim360

// the 500k figure was a projection for the UK alone, in the scenario where nothing was done //

Except that prediction from Prof Neil Ferguson came AFTER Rod Liddle’s article. He said the left will blame Trump and Johnson for the 500,000 deaths. If he was talking about just the UK, it wouldn’t make much sense to blame Trump.