Who Says Crime Doesn't Pay?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56381722
...why don't they wait for the outcome of the "trial"?

[andy-hughes]

Mr Floyd is not benefiting from crime in any way shape or form - his family is benefiting from the illegal manner of his death.

I am sure that, given the choice, Mr Floyd would like his family to remain as they are financially if he gets to stay alive, and they would probably concur with that scenario.

So to suggest that 'crime pays' is simply inaccurate - but it will make a good tabloid headline anytime soon.

[ToraToraTora]

AH : "Mr Floyd is not benefiting from crime in any way shape or form - his family is benefiting from the illegal manner of his death. " - so you have already decided that then?: right oh!

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DD 21:45, yes I think Gully has an obsession with the PM and clearly does what he can to get his desire into every thread.

[TonyV]

TTT Why have they been offered an out of court settlement then?

[ToraToraTora]

wish I knew tony

[gulliver1]

Desktop 21.45, Take your medication ,then lie down in a dark corner and think about it.

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hang on gully, you managed a whole post without mentioning your love, Boris?

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the only crimes we know of are committed by Mr Floyd.

[Peter Pedant]

it is nice to see Aryan Bank had not gone away
it was just - - - hibernating

from the viddie - he is kneeling on the mans neck - bearing his whole weight. No wonder he is dead

why dont they wait for the trial
er we have had this before
even NJ has been known to repeat in a tired and exasperated voice:

because as we all know or should know, the criminal and civil elements move independently

I think I should start a count-down for the next TTT betise
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[Peter Pedant]

// wish I knew tony//
foo well go and be their lawyer TTT - end of!

o god it is worse than I thought

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // AH : "Mr Floyd is not benefiting from crime in any way shape or form - his family is benefiting from the illegal manner of his death. " - so you have already decided that then?: right oh! //

I haven't 'decided' anything - your link advises that a settlement has been reached - therefore my observation is simply stating the facts that your link confirmed.

I don't have to make a decision about facts, that's why I didn't bother doing so.

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "his family is benefiting from the illegal manner of his death" - when was that declared illegal? the trial hasn't taken place yet.

[fcc]

As liberace once said they will be crying all the way to the bank.

[Peter Pedant]

ere leave him alone Andie it aint worf it (*)

the whole thread is some ghastly qanon conspiracy - - goop !

(*) memorably shouted to another brave Andie - Flintoff when he was losing nay crashing out of his first professional boxing match

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // AH: "his family is benefiting from the illegal manner of his death" - when was that declared illegal? the trial hasn't taken place yet. //

I can only advise you to re-read the link you posted - the City of Mineapolis has reached an agreement with the family of Mr Floyd, which is a civil matter, and not connected in any way to the trial which is currently in progress.

Civil and legal settlements are independent of each other, so the willingness of the City to accept the wrongdoing of their employee is their right - possibly as advised, in order to head of a civil law suit (again to be clear, independently of whatever outcome of the legal trial may or may not be) which could have potentially cost them far more.

[ToraToraTora]

ok but will it stop a suit later?

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // ok but will it stop a suit later? //

Although the link does not advise either way, I would suggest that for a settlement this size, that there will be a clause advising that 'this is full and final settlement' and that will prevent the family revisiting their lawyers if the officers are found guilty as charged.

[Barmaid]

A civil settlement is not dependent on a criminal conviction. At least that is the law here.

My best guess is that reaching a settlement now will be "in full and final" settlement. The state have bought off their risk of a) a higher settlement if a criminal conviction results and b) the immense legal costs which would follow.

It's my guess that a huge amount of that 27m would be costs because the US legal system makes our costs regime look like small change.

There is no doubt he was a scum bag, but the manner of his death was wrong. Even if it is not accepted that it was as a result of a criminal act at the very least it was negligent.

[Deskdiary]

"Civil and legal settlements are independent of each other, so the willingness of the City to accept the wrongdoing of their employee is their right - possibly as advised, in order to head of a civil law suit (again to be clear, independently of whatever outcome of the legal trial may or may not be) which could have potentially cost them far more."

Or perhaps they feel there could be $28m of damage in the event of a not guilty verdict so $27m will save them a $1m, I'd say that's just as fanciful as your scenario.

Whatever...

I think what we all know is that if Chauvin is found innocent, black people around the world are going to lose their minds, and if he's found guilty, American red necks will lose theirs.

There's not going to be any winner here.

[andy-hughes]

Deskdairy - // There's not going to be any winner here. //

Apart from justice - perhaps?