Uk Democracy Under Threat

[Hymie]

I only became aware of this today, that the government has voter ID plans whereby in order to vote at polling stations, voters will be required to show official photo ID (such as a passport, driver’s licence etc).

Many people do not hold such ID and will therefore be disenfranchised as a result of this legislation which is likely to impact the poorer sections of our society. Quite why the Labour Party is not up in arms against such plans I don’t know.

You can read more here:-
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/defending-our-democracy-say-no-to-voter-id/?utm_source=CrowdJustice&;utm_campaign=9b33037f9d-VOTIDMAR2021&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7304756a43-9b33037f9d-169393273

[TonyV]

ended.

[ToraToraTora]

fair enough ZM, I'm still struggling with the original proclamation that UK democracy is "under threat" perhaps hymie, you could explain how??

[Zacs-Master]

Aye, should never have started, really, a classic case of the stupid provoking the stupider.

[Zacs-Master]

Hymie has no idea. Hymie just read something that suited his politics and posted without research. People like Hymie have the vote, which is scary!

[Hymie]

Yes, it’s very worrying that I have a vote and believe that should the majority vote to outlaw voting for an opposition party – that this would be undemocratic (be very worried).

[Jackdaw33]

And where, exactly, does it say that the plan is to outlaw voting for the opposition?

[ToraToraTora]

what are you on about Hymie? abolishing the opposition? theoretically possible I suppose but almost impossible under our system.

[Hymie]

Based on the info in the link, 7.5% of the population would be disenfranchised – that is what is undemocratic. Anyone being disenfranchised is undemocratic (IMHO) – but remember I have not been disenfranchised (which is scary).

[Hymie]

My comment re outlawing an opposition is based on Togo’s post saying that the electorate voted for something so it is democratic (which it is not) - as an example.

[ToraToraTora]

"Based on the info in the link, 7.5% of the population would be disenfranchised" - how? by having to identify themselves? surely that would only "disenfranchise" those who are invalid anyway. What's the problem with ID for voting? what upsets you so much about that? ....and why does this only affect "opposition" voters?

[ToraToraTora]

"My comment re outlawing an opposition is based on Togo’s post saying that the electorate voted for something so it is democratic (which it is not) - as an example. " - Nope, the act of removing democracy would have been democratic.

[Peter Pedant]

I cant see why everyone is making such heavy weather of

'if identification evidence is required for voting - it will disempower and disenfranchise the poorest part of the poputation"

I dont see that such a statement requires any supernormal leap of faith

[Peter Pedant]

I think TTT has missed this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

[Jackdaw33]

//'if identification evidence is required for voting - it will disempower and disenfranchise the poorest part of the population"\\

For 'poorest' read 'illegal'.

[ichkeria]

“ Ich, stuff ballot boxes ?

Having been a sorter/counter, each ballot is numbered from the polling stn. Boxes are security sealed & delivered to counting stn.
I cant see how fraud could penetrate”

Pretty obviously I was not taking about the UK, although in general principle the point still applies about efficiency of fraud.
I’m really not sure I can agree with any of the op’s fears.
As alluded to earlier, everyone has to register to vote to start with, so is it really that much of an extra step to apply for photo ID should it be needed?

[Zacs-Master]

Nobody is being disenfranchised. Stop labouring an already disproven point.

[Togo]

//what are you on about Hymie? abolishing the opposition? theoretically possible I suppose but almost impossible under our system.//

The closest example I could think of is the EUSSR . The citizens think they have a vote, but it is just an opinion poll that is sent back for "reconsideration" if it shows a view counter to that of the unelected and very secretive politburo.

[Peter Pedant]

// surely that would only "disenfranchise" those who are invalid anyway. // 6 yr olds (*), mad people, convicts, typical ABers etc
no you get turned away on the day wivvart voting

I turned up wivvart photie fing and said " you aint gonna let me vote yeah? ( pure AB speak, note reader) an I go home and jus' sit vair and no come back?"
and she said - no you can vote no ident reqd.

and it is 24% - innit - wivvart passport or driving licence (*)
even interdicting 7% cd mean the minority party is returned

ho hum
conclusion
Is UK dmeocracy threatened - now it aint, end of!

(*) foo ! I know yeah! you make them get special electoral ident. and no one does and ven when they turn up at the polling station, you say
" hey you late by a foo weeks mate me old chyne yeah - you can vote but you cant. not today yeah. off you go now matey"
problem solved !

(*) people with a mental age of 6 that is!

[davebro]

I watch such progs as "Police Interceptors" and often those stopped claim they have no ID on them. Invariably the cops find out who they are & their lack of ID is because they wanted to hide some wrongdoing. GET ID OR DON'T VOTE!

[Peter Pedant]

Toag - have you gone off your royal rocker?
//The closest example I could think of is the EUSSR //
and the script makes no sense at all !

mainstream - "they have a vote but they dont have a vote"
er yeah carry on Togo!