Derek Chauvin

[lankeela]

How can they possibly find him anything other than guilty of murder? Having listened to the summing up, even if you put aside the problems it would cause on the streets if he was found not guilty, the evidence was so compelling that he must surely be found guilty.

[douglas9401]

Either way the placards raised during the aftermath of the trial of a polis may read 'Chauvinist pig'.

[Jackdaw33]

What I find somewhat disturbing is that in the UK the Defence has the last word whereas in the US the Prosecution does.

[ToraToraTora]

..... because it's not murder? For it to be Murder there has to be intent.

[Zacs-Master]

Remind me of the ethnic make up of the jury again............

[lankeela]

"Cities are bracing themselves for unrest, whatever the result" - lets hope none of them get killed when protesting.

[Neveracrossword]

ZM, the report I read said 'nine white, four black, two multi-racial'.

[emmie]

so a mixture as one would expect.

[bednobs]

odd, i thought the defence went last.
I ONLY saw the defence summing up, and my thouht was "how can they find him guilty"?

[Jackdaw33]

I cannot find the link now but what I read was that the prosecution sums up, followed by the defence, but the prosecution can then challenge the defence. I may have got this wrong; if so I apologise.

[THECORBYLOON]

"For it to be Murder there has to be intent."

For your benefit, TORATORATORA, from the BBC,

"In second-degree murder, the act that led to someone's death could have been intentional or unintentional. The maximum sentence is 40 years in prison.

Third-degree murder means an individual has acted in a way that endangered one or more people, ending in death. This charge was added later and experts say it is easier to prove in court, but the jail sentence would be lower."

[Zacs-Master]

Reading this I think he's going down for a long stretch:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/10/us/derek-chauvin-trial-jurors/index.html

[ToraToraTora]

well ZM perhaps that'll keep the looting to a minimum then eh!

[Jackdaw33]

That's the difference between US and UK law. In the UK there are no degrees of murder and intent must be proved. The US system seems to make manslaughter almost redundant.

[Zacs-Master]

Hopefully, Tora.

[THECORBYLOON]

Under English law, murder need not involve an intention to kill.

A death involving an intention to cause grievous bodily harm is sufficient for a charge of murder.

[Jackdaw33]

That is well-known, and the law's definition of intent is far wider than that in ordinary language.

[Ellipsis]

The video at the bottom of this page gives a fair summary of the prosecution and defence:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56810262

[youngmafbog]

Without sitting through the whole case its really impossible to say.

I have every confidence the Jury will debate this one to the nth degree and come to the right conclusion, whatever it may be.

[andres]

Could the jury possibly say it was Death by Misadventure?

[douglas9401]

They could say it was death by chocolate, better to wait and see if he gets his just desserts.