Should These Savages Be Deported?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57137151
..Clearly they do not consider UK their home.

[emmie]

this sort of thing is allowed to go on regardless of how much disruption there is, if i had a penny for every time there is a protest over climate change, anti vaxers, foreign born disputes which we have nothing to do with, then i would be somewhat better off.....

[Peter Pedant]

// TTT - // Yes AH, I agree deported is the wrong world, should they be expelled from the UK? //

well we can if we ignore the whole of law of deportation
why not - this is AB !

Trump got the wrong end of their Supreme Court when he tried to limit imports of muslims
The english have not excluded or prevented entry = exile since oo 1215. King John that one - he agreed on exile only after due process and not peremptory order

but yeah we can do it - it is Monday and we are in AB-land!

[emmie]

some far away uninhabited island, let them hurt, maim, throw insults at each other till the cows come home, i am sick to death of apologists for the trash that has washed up here.

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "My sense of fairness leads me to offer that behaving in this way indicates that the protagonists have a singular issue with one aspect of society in the UK, which is a very long way from suggesting that they hate the country so much that they would wish to relocate elsewhere." - what aspect? Ordinary people going about their day to day lives become the target for these nutters driving down the street under a flag of terror dishing out rabid abuse? Yes Andy I am more emotional and I sometimes wonder if the state should get a bit more emotional at times like this. Let's let them know that this sort of thing is not acceptable in a civilised nation.

[ToraToraTora]

emmie: "i am sick to death of apologists for the trash that has washed up here." - that's TF0J for you!

[Mamyalynne]

Dear me, you revert to type so quickly Tora.

[Peter Pedant]

// "My sense of fairness leads me to offer that behaving in this way indicates that the protagonists have a singular issue with one aspect of society in the UK, which is a very long way from suggesting that they hate the country so much that they would wish to relocate elsewhere." //
phew - long'un! - - that is
The protagonists ( = revolting protestors) dont think X: they think Y.

[Peter Pedant]

and Y is a very long way from living elsewhere....

[Peter Pedant]

o god and he didnt even do one of his tedious and gormless countdowns !

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // AH: "My sense of fairness leads me to offer that behaving in this way indicates that the protagonists have a singular issue with one aspect of society in the UK, which is a very long way from suggesting that they hate the country so much that they would wish to relocate elsewhere." - what aspect? //

The aspect that UK society includes a Jewish population, to which these individuals have clearly taken unreasonable exception.

[emmie]

"unreasonable objection to" AH, did you listen to the video, the words are plain enough F*** the Jews, rape their daughters, is this what we should be putting up with, i do sincerely hope they are caught and punished, its a hate crime and one that deserves a jail sentence

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // Yes Andy I am more emotional and I sometimes wonder if the state should get a bit more emotional at times like this. Let's let them know that this sort of thing is not acceptable in a civilised nation. //

The problem with reacting and behaving in a manner dictated by emotion is a seriously difficult system to manage.

Who's emotions do we take as a yard stick? Who's reactions do we implement as the standard response?

The problem there is peoples' reactions and responses are entirely individual, one person may see not indicating on a rooundabout as a reason for a toot of the horn, someone else may see it as an invitation to a public flogging - perception is everything.

That is why, for a society to operate, it has to have a system of laws and punishments that are decided without the input of emotion, and are enacted similarly in a dispassionate manner.

I do absolutely understand your anger and frustration, but this is the way it has to be, because otherwise anarchy and vigilanteism would thrive, and as Clint Eastwood said, and I have quoted many times - "Next you execute your neighbour because his dog wees on your lawn ..."

We can't live like that - although depending on your attitude to dogs, you may think its a good start.

Personally, I like dogs, and would have a word with my neighbour, my wife loathes dogs, and would probably shoot the neighbour on sight.

As I say, attitudes vary, we have to have dispassionate laws to make everything as fair as it can be.

That's not to say that the law gets it right every time, but it remains the best option we have at the moment.

[andy-hughes]

emmie - // "unreasonable objection to" AH, did you listen to the video, the words are plain enough F*** the Jews, rape their daughters, is this what we should be putting up with, i do sincerely hope they are caught and punished, its a hate crime and one that deserves a jail sentence //

I use the phrase 'unreasonable objection' in order to be as rational and objective as i can for the purposes of debate, because if I rant and rave, we all get het up and the debate goes nowhere.

When I remove my 'rational and objective' approach, I would rather like to cut them into one-inch cubes with a rusty tin lid.

[emmie]

i wonder at people who don't live here, but say in another part of the UK, what they think when they see demo's like this, oh its only the capital i guess........ nothing to do with us. I have often wondered what we would do if there were another war,
it doesn't bear thinking about...

[naomi24]

I can't see anything there to indicate their nationality.

[douglas9401]

Maybe our leaders could add 'Stravaiging about the place behaving like animals, flip-flopping between wild-eyed frothing and sullen defiance' to the ever growing list of specific crimes in the UK.

[emmie]

maybe the Met can do their jobs for once, which is to catch criminals, lowlifes like this have no place in the UK.

[THECORBYLOON]

"maybe the Met can do their jobs for once" as they did in this instance?

[New Judge]

//...lets hope the door of the nearest police station is open, and they get sent to jail, personally i would do the same TTT.//

The chances of that are nil to slightly less than that.

It's all very well suggesting that the law should take its course, but the police and the criminal justice system are rapidly becoming unfit for purpose. Last week two gentlemen were arrested by Border Force officials on suspicion of immigration offences. As they were about to be taken away a mob descended on the van, the border staff and the accompanying police. A senior police officer ordered that the detainees be released. Having undertaken a "risk assessment" he decided that was the best course of action "In order to protect the safety, public health and well-being of all people involved." The crowd was asked if they would kindly disperse. The detainees were released on bail (though quite how and where they signed their bail notices is not clear). The Scottish government believe Immigration Enforcement acted provocatively by trying to remove migrants from an ethnically diverse community during Eid.

The mob has taken over large parts of UK society and it is no use expecting matters such as the Palestinians driving round Finchley hurling anti-Sematic abuse to be brought to book any time soon.

Meanwhile the area in Glasgow where the baying mob got their way last week is currently suffering a large outbreak of the "Indian Variant". Quelle surprise.