Should These Savages Be Deported?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57137151
..Clearly they do not consider UK their home.

[emmie]

but they don't often, i would stop all protests, sorry its draconian, but its time we got this place back to normal,

[piggynose]

no

[THECORBYLOON]

How is stopping all protests, "getting back to normal"?

[emmie]

i do agree with you NJ, but its time the police actually did their job. whether its stopping these massive so called peaceful protests, which almost always turn nasty, its not safe being out in the centre of town when they kick off.

[emmie]

that people can go about their lives, tourists can come back hopefully when we have cracked the pandemic, that we can feel safe. These protests go on too many times, its time to say enough.

[THECORBYLOON]

Would you ban anti-Semitism protests?

[emmie]

yes i would, its time we stopped being the backside of the world. I said it would be draconian, but NJ is right the mob here rules.

[New Judge]

//How is stopping all protests, "getting back to normal"?//

Because it is not "normal" to have mobs of people parading through the streets protesting or demonstrating about matters that are of little or no concern to people trying to go about their business.

//Would you ban anti-Semitism protests?//

Yes. I would ban all on-street protests of every description. They serve no purpose, rarely if ever achieve their aims (if the participants know what those aims are, that is) and inconvenience large numbers of disinterested people considerably. They may have had a place fifty years or more ago but now there is the Twittersphere where interested parties can join together, ranting and raving to their hearts' content. Disinterested parties (i.e. the vast majority) can go about their business unhindered.

[emmie]

unhindered and unharmed, these protests more often or not get nasty, and if accidentally caught up in it who knows what might happen to that individual.

[Atheist]

NJ, surely you are confusing 'disinterested' and 'uninterested'.
Those who oppose demonstrations have an interest in maintaining their own comfortable position of having no strong sense of grievance which is not addressed by those who try to run society.

[emmie]

do you live in or near the capital atheist, or have any clue what its like to navigate these never ending protests. They indeed as NJ states, have no actual purpose, other than to disrupt people going about their business. NJ and i are are singing from the same hymn sheet, ban them all, no protesting/demonstrations. But it seems the police are toothless, and Cressida Dick has to stop that rot going any further.

[emmie]

i am a life long Londoner, and love this place to pieces, its smart, accessible, mostly, and has some of the best theatres, nightlife in the country. I hate seeing it brought low like this.

[emmie]

i have no idea but sure he'll be back.

[New Judge]

//NJ, surely you are confusing 'disinterested' and 'uninterested'.//

Well I’m both (probably along with most people). I have nothing vested in Palestine or Israel – i.e no material interests in that area whatsoever. So I’m disinterested. But even if I had any interests, because I realise that neither I nor anybody here in the UK can cure all the world’s ills and certainly not the interminable strife between Israelis and Palestinians, I’m totally uninterested in that area and its problems.

I do have an interest in maintaining my own “comfortable” position of having no sense of grievance about anything in particular. However, If I had become disillusioned with things in the UK to such a degree that I felt it necessary to emigrate to Palestine I would not take to the streets of Ramallah urging (or rather demanding) that the people and government there take action to address my unhappiness. Whether they believe people in the UK are uninterested or disinterested in their plight, Palestinians in the UK should not take to the streets to express their anger. Best thing they can do is go to Palestine and help out there. But they won’t do that and there’s little wonder why.

[Untitled]

The right to protest is a basic liberty and should not be scrapped... even if it inconveniences or annoys people.

Those who do not wish to live in a free society are free to go and live in an authoritarian country like Russia if that would be more to their liking.

I live in the capital and I think emmie is grossly overstating the situation... not that the protests don't annoy me sometimes but I do not think they should be banned.

[teacake44]

Did they cause as much trouble as the Rangers fans in Scotland? including 3 police officers getting hurt, so called fans spitting at them also, plus leaving lorry loads of crap on the streets. We need to get our own house in order before having a go at others. After all, what were they doing, flying a flag. I thought ABers were all for flying flags a few weeks back on here.

[Ellipsis]

> I have nothing vested in Palestine or Israel – i.e no material interests in that area whatsoever.

Except for the history of your country within living memory ...

[New Judge]

//Except for the history of your country within living memory ...//

That is not a "material interest" (which I define as investments, property or people). More than that, the historical events of more than seventy years ago do not entitle people today to vent their spleen on the people of the UK. People alive today are not responsible for it.

//The right to protest is a basic liberty and should not be scrapped... even if it inconveniences or annoys people.//

Try turning it around: "The right not to be inconvenienced or annoyed is a basic liberty and should not be scrapped even if it means people may not protest." - especially when such protests have no point whatsoever other than to make the protesters feel good.

[Ellipsis]

> People alive today are not responsible for it.

Not people, country. A country does not absolve itself of responsibility for the past when it changes leaders (or they die), especially not the recent past. We're still responsible for the choices that we as a country made under Thatcher and Blair's leadership, for example. The key event in this case was the formation of the state of Israel, which happened in 1948 following the British Mandate of Palestine 1920–1948, ie. 28 years of British rule, which pretty much set up the conditions from which the region is still suffering.