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Covid Deaths < 50 For The Week But Cases Rise Exponentially........

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ToraToraTora | 15:30 Tue 01st Jun 2021 | News
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57320320
What's happening? Looks to me like there are many cases but relatively few hospitalisations, presumably because a) we are doing a lot more testing and b) vaccination means that although present in the body when tested it's not getting a foot hold. Should we push back the 21st June relaxation or power ahead and rely on the fact that all but the THB will be vaccinated pretty soon?
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There is no excuse to delay it. It rather looks like SAGE are not liking the fact that no one wants to hear from them and they are loosing control.

The vaccine clearly works, any vulnerable person that wants one has had two and many more ontop of that. The only people at risk are those that refuse it, and that is their choice and their problem.

Boris cancels the 21st at his peril. It would effectively saying the multi billion vaccinations dont work and would feed the conspiracy theorists.
Judging by the packed restaurant I was in on Sunday evening and the fact that none of the staff were masked up, the relaxation has already happened. I suspect similar scenes were repeated throughout England so I'd say we'll know what effect that has had by the 14th.
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yes but why do you think the number of cases are raising exponentially but the hospital admissions and deaths are pretty static?
For the reasons you stated.
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right so really the number of cases is largely irrelevant and we should press ahead and vaccinate everyone ASAP.
It's spreading amongst younger people it seems, but it is not, in general producing a severe disease. If the 21st June is pushed back - I think people will ignore the law and Parliament will lose authority. I shall abandon my lanyard then and OH says he'll no longer mask. All vulnerable people have been offered (and presumably taken) the vaccine. What's the THB brigade? Anyway, no reason I can see to continue punitive laws.
Indeed, Tora. I believe that's the plan and has been for some time.
I think its too early to say one way or the other.
// I think people will ignore the law and Parliament will lose authority.//

That's all very well, jourdain, "the people" may well do that. The problem is there are many restrictions still in place that Local Authorities will take absolute delight in enforcing upon businesses. Most notably the hospitality trade is still limited in its capacity and many establishments are struggling to break even with that reduced capacity. "The people" may well ditch their masks in pubs and restaurants but proprietors have an obligation to make their best efforts to see compliance. Once again the LAs will take absolute delight in visiting such places and dishing out penalties where they believe non-compliance is being condoned. A lot of this is out of the hands of the people. Businesses have licences to protect and they have little choice.

The pandemic has been manna from heaven for the Town Hall wallahs. It has given them a fresh "raison d'etre". They've stuck all their signs on the lampposts and their stickers on the pavement; they dumped all their flower pots in the roads to allow "distancing (and crippled the traffic flow into the bargain). They won't want to waste all that effort so what better than assembling teams of people, who usually answer the phone to tell their citizens that they cannot help them with whatever problem they have, to go round shouting "Hands, Face, Space" instead.

These restrictions should have been lifted at the first opportunity. Instead they are being maintained "just in case" and it's disgraceful.
//// right so really the number of cases is largely irrelevant and we should press ahead and vaccinate everyone ASAP.///

Not everyone wants the vaccine TTT, for their own personal reasons so the government can’t vaccinate ‘everyone’
//Not everyone wants the vaccine TTT, for their own personal reasons so the government can’t vaccinate ‘everyone’//

No they can't. But they can offer it to everyone (which they are well on the way to doing). The fact that some people cannot or will not take it is absolutely no reason to maintain restrictions. There were zero deaths reported today. Even allowing for the Bank Holiday (when it seems counting people who have died is beyond the authorities) seven day average death numbers have been below 20 for a month and in single figures for a fortnight. We are now maintaining restrictions (coupled with "doom and gloom") "just n case" cases begin to rise. They almost certainly will. But the country cannot remain in this artificial state for much longer.
No it can’t NJ , we must move on and treat this virus as we treat the flu virus over previous years which even now variants itself annually
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bobbi: "Not everyone wants the vaccine TTT, for their own personal reasons so the government can’t vaccinate ‘everyone’" - those with valid medical exemptions fair enough, the rest are TBH morons and we should make life as difficult as possible for them. I hope they start checking vaccinations for lots of things going forward.
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THB even!
Still a lot of cases up here in Lancashire. One of the local High Schools has been closed for ten days because of rising cases . My grandson along with several others has to isolate because he must have been in contact with an infected classmate. One of the Primary schools has also had to close.A lot of the the people being admitted to hospital are much younger now. 30/40 years is becoming the norm.
Zero Covid deaths.

More people will have died in the last week from RTAs and delayed treatment from the CHS.

There is not a single reason to push “freedom day” back - not one (although I see that poison dwarf north of the border has - despicable woman).

Boris needs to stand firm on 21/6.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, and I can’t stand those that are, but I am beginning, reluctantly, to form the opinion that the ‘experts’ don’t want to relinquish the power they’ve wielded for the last 15 months.
DD, Nicola Sturgeon has and will do , “ Boris you say black, I’ll say white “
TTT, it’s unfair to label people Morons because they won’t take the vaccine, they have the same right as both you and I to say yes or no
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sorry bobbs we'll have to agree to disagree. All the effort everyone is making and the THB are are not helping with their mumbo jumbo.
Talking of mumbo jumbo, what does the H stand for in THB?
Why are you even concerned what Scotland’s decisions are. Just concentrate on your own circumstances. Boris’s decisions affects us in Scotland not a bit .

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