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Why At Least 20 Years??
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What's wrong with at least a 100 years? Damn savage should never see the light of day again. What is wrong with these judges?
What's wrong with at least a 100 years? Damn savage should never see the light of day again. What is wrong with these judges?
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//I don't see how the judge can apply mitigating factors when he doesn't know what went on.//
The judge will know what went on. In the case of a guilty plea the prosecution will provide the facts to him or her. In the case of a trial the witnesses will provide testimony as to what they witnessed. In either case the probation service will almost certainly be called upon to provide a report outlining the defendant's background, previous offending and his explanation for committing the offence (if he agrees to provide one). The judge will have all the information required to pass a suitable sentence. A early guilty plea sees a reduction of one third off the sentence.
The judge will know what went on. In the case of a guilty plea the prosecution will provide the facts to him or her. In the case of a trial the witnesses will provide testimony as to what they witnessed. In either case the probation service will almost certainly be called upon to provide a report outlining the defendant's background, previous offending and his explanation for committing the offence (if he agrees to provide one). The judge will have all the information required to pass a suitable sentence. A early guilty plea sees a reduction of one third off the sentence.
//...it is much more expensive to execute someone, than to imprison them for life.//
Albert Pierrepoint, perhaps the UK's most famous public executioner, was paid £3-3s-0d (£3.15) for his first execution in 1932, and £15 for his last in 1955. That aside, it is estimated to cost around £40,000 per annum to keep a person in prison. Twenty-five years at that rate is £1m.
Albert Pierrepoint, perhaps the UK's most famous public executioner, was paid £3-3s-0d (£3.15) for his first execution in 1932, and £15 for his last in 1955. That aside, it is estimated to cost around £40,000 per annum to keep a person in prison. Twenty-five years at that rate is £1m.
A lot of choices, but just one at random //Many people assume that the state saves money by employing the death penalty since an executed person no longer requires confinement, health care, and related expenses. ... The death penalty is far more expensive than a system utilizing life-without-parole sentences as an alternative punishment//
This murder trial was case in Scotland but the link to the guidance given by NJ applies only in England and Wales.
HI also stated, "A early guilty plea sees a reduction of one third off the sentence."
That is not the case in murder trials in England and Wales. The guidance states,
"where it is appropriate to reduce the minimum term having regard to a plea of guilty, the reduction will not exceed one-sixth and will never exceed five years;the maximum reduction of one-sixth or five years (whichever is less) should only be given when a guilty plea has been indicated at the first stage of the proceedings. Lesser reductions should be given for guilty pleas after that point, with a maximum of one-twentieth being given for a guilty plea on the day of trial."
HI also stated, "A early guilty plea sees a reduction of one third off the sentence."
That is not the case in murder trials in England and Wales. The guidance states,
"where it is appropriate to reduce the minimum term having regard to a plea of guilty, the reduction will not exceed one-sixth and will never exceed five years;the maximum reduction of one-sixth or five years (whichever is less) should only be given when a guilty plea has been indicated at the first stage of the proceedings. Lesser reductions should be given for guilty pleas after that point, with a maximum of one-twentieth being given for a guilty plea on the day of trial."
//Yes, well outdated. The amount of appeals, lawyers and years in solitary... it is more expensive. In reality.//
Only if those convicted spend years on "Death Row" as they do in the USA.
The last executions that took place in the UK were of Gwynne Evans and Peter Allan, for the murder of van driver John West. The murder took place on 6th April 1964. Their trial lasted three days and they were convicted and sentenced to death on 26th June that same year. They appealed against their conviction and sentence and that appeal was dismissed less than a month later on 20th July. An appeal to the Home Secretary (who at that time was effectively able to provide a pardon by persuading the Queen to exercise her Royal Prerogative) similarly failed and they were both hanged on 13th August 1964, just over four months after the murder.
There is no need for long drawn out processes to see justice done. We have a perfectly robust justice system in the UK which should not mean lengthy delays (Covid aside, that is).
Only if those convicted spend years on "Death Row" as they do in the USA.
The last executions that took place in the UK were of Gwynne Evans and Peter Allan, for the murder of van driver John West. The murder took place on 6th April 1964. Their trial lasted three days and they were convicted and sentenced to death on 26th June that same year. They appealed against their conviction and sentence and that appeal was dismissed less than a month later on 20th July. An appeal to the Home Secretary (who at that time was effectively able to provide a pardon by persuading the Queen to exercise her Royal Prerogative) similarly failed and they were both hanged on 13th August 1964, just over four months after the murder.
There is no need for long drawn out processes to see justice done. We have a perfectly robust justice system in the UK which should not mean lengthy delays (Covid aside, that is).
Pixie //, it is much more expensive to execute someone//
Could you plese explain how that is?
Cost per annum for a prisoner in jail:-
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Could you plese explain how that is?
Cost per annum for a prisoner in jail:-
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Thanks for the correction, Corby.
Your point about the offence being in Scotland is interesting. I know very little about Scottish law processes but it seems they don't have offence-specific sentencing guidelines of their own. I understand (though cannot be sure) that they largely follow the E&W versions, though of course are not bound by them as courts in E&W are. That said, it seems they might be getting round to it though still have a long way to go:
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The point I was really trying to make is that when sentencing, judges or magistrates take into account a whole raft of features. This applies to all offences from speeding to murder. There is a particular problem (in my mind) with murder as a dead victim is just as dead whatever the circumstances of his death. But the law does not see it that way and there is (whether you agree with it or not) different levels of seriousness considered when sentencing for the offence. It is not therefore appropriate (with the law as it stands) to suggest that all those convicted of murder should be incarcerated for the same amount of time.
Your point about the offence being in Scotland is interesting. I know very little about Scottish law processes but it seems they don't have offence-specific sentencing guidelines of their own. I understand (though cannot be sure) that they largely follow the E&W versions, though of course are not bound by them as courts in E&W are. That said, it seems they might be getting round to it though still have a long way to go:
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The point I was really trying to make is that when sentencing, judges or magistrates take into account a whole raft of features. This applies to all offences from speeding to murder. There is a particular problem (in my mind) with murder as a dead victim is just as dead whatever the circumstances of his death. But the law does not see it that way and there is (whether you agree with it or not) different levels of seriousness considered when sentencing for the offence. It is not therefore appropriate (with the law as it stands) to suggest that all those convicted of murder should be incarcerated for the same amount of time.
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