Triple Lock Will Be Removed..................

[10ClarionSt]

.............by the chancellor Risky Sunak. During the pandemic, the vast majority of deaths were senior citizens, who the govt had failed to protect, hence grovelling apology from Bojo the Clown in January. Now, the senior citizens will again be neglected by the govt when the triple lock is removed in the November budget, just after the re-introduction of State Control. This comes when everyone knows that the state pension in this country is the worst in Europe. It's all about the money. The dosh. The spondooliks. T'aint about you mate. Or your welfare. The country can't afford you. Otherwise, everything's fine thanks! :o)

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/rishi-sunak-triple-lock-pensions-uk-inflation-earnings-obr-covid-19-081532920.html?guccounter=1&;guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAD9VyCY72TB6DuIGwog_LBgQcCqj47-vWxziaah4v-RjzWOnFkUI1hjYNMDifeaVBQcm-R0G2UqRSWWNWoMWmp55v9CqO_cIKM5Gg6IJ5wMAK8g0EryF-k0n3094xhLMBN-UwxcGHICDvqZCf6LGtxItmKtY34n1Lp_Z8Rdf9Kbl

[youngmafbog]

//No they weren't ...they were put in place to protect the NHS//

Nothing to do with the large numbers of people supposedly dying of it than (who were manly older)?

[david small]

Paid in since 15 years old, wife since 16. My kids and their spouses all worked throughout all lockdowns. No furlough dosh anywhere. One million in tax paid out on already taxed money. Can’t see a doctor, illness not diagnosed, or treated. Police not fit for service. Government the worst shower of self servers since the 18th century. Triple lock removed, par for the course.

[Canary42]

///why didn't you move to the EUSSR when you had the chance 10cs, you'd be happy there///

TTT's usual double-standards - people coming to GB because they prefer it to their own country are to be vilified, and sunk in the English Channel if possible. But he's quite happy to recommend that same solution to native Brits who dare to taint his sanitised and glorified "Boys Own Paper" view of Britain.

[gulliver1]

11.14 Canary, "Boys Own Paper" view of Britain LOL. Think TTT reads "John Bull" also

[New Judge]

//..so don't go littering the streets throwing masks away. You'll be needing them again in mid-September.//

Londoners cannot anyway. Mayor Kahn took less than 48 hours to decree that face coverings must still be worn on TfL buses, tubes and trains:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57826331

"As long as the virus is still with us, and as long as we're still concerned about the virus being transmitted, we will make it compulsory."

So that, basically is forever.

//Sensible and considerate people will still wear them after july 19 when appropriate. Public opinion shows most want masks to stay//

**Some** sensible and considerate people will still wear them. Other sensible and considerate people will not. Walking around with an uncovered face does not make one insensible or inconsiderate. In the same way, being green does not necessarily make a vegetable a pea. Some public opinion believes face masks and social distancing should continue forever. Those of that opinion can do as they wish but not force their opinions on to others.

But back to the triple lock:

//…benefits cannot go up by 8% they simply can't.//

I won’t set off on the argument about whether a person receiving a State Pension that they have fully funded is receiving a “benefit” or not. So that aside, at the start of the pandemic those receiving Universal Credit had a £20pw uplift. This was said to be temporary but there are now howls from the poverty industry to make it permanent. Whether that comes to pass remains to be seen. But UC for a single claimant over 25 was increased from (roughly) £75 to £95 per week. This is over 26%. This was to help them through the pandemic. State pensioners (who, remarkable as it may seem, also had to endure the pandemic) got 0%. So “benefits” (if that is what you insist on calling the State Pension) can go up by 8%. If the triple lock calculation had worked out to a 0.1% increase to the State Pension that would have been that.

//Nothing to do with the large numbers of people supposedly dying of it than (who were manly older)?//

The vast majority of people who die from all causes are “mainly older”, youngmaf. It’s what happens. The original lockdown was “Stay at home, save lives, protect the NHS.” I’m very much afraid that the genie is now out of the bottle and “protecting the NHS” will become a mantra probably forevermore. As soon as things get a bit tricky for the service in the winter (as they have for as long as I’ve been able to read) the mantra will reappear, Covid or no Covid. The NHS is clearly not fit for purpose if it is constantly on the edge of being overwhelmed. My view is that it is already overwhelmed, just not with Covid patients so it doesn’t particularly matter. It needs to become less of a religion and is in need of urgent reform.

[davebro]

//If the triple lock calculation had worked out to a 0.1% increase to the State Pension that would have been that.//

The minimum under the triple lock is 2.5%. If the BofE keeps to it's target of 2% inflation that gives OAPs a small gain each year.

[cashier]

Public opinion shows that most people want masks to stay.
I do wish people who conduct polls would say, most people who took part in the poll want masks to stay. Then say how many people were polled. If it were most of the general public just about everyone should have been polled, and I don't know anyone who was.

[New Judge]

//The minimum under the triple lock is 2.5%.//

Yes I know, dave but thanks for that. I was simply trying to demonstrate that its suitability has only been called into question because of the strange circumstances this year which made an 8% rise the result. Had it produced a lower increase no questions would be asked. If systems like this are introduced it's not right to call "foul" if it produces an unpalatable answer.

[youngmafbog]

//The NHS is clearly not fit for purpose if it is constantly on the edge of being overwhelmed. My view is that it is already overwhelmed, just not with Covid patients so it doesn’t particularly matter. It needs to become less of a religion and is in need of urgent reform.//

Well I couldn't have put it better myself, apart from to add politicians must stop using it as a political football to score off the opposition. Agree 100%

[New Judge]

//I do wish people who conduct polls would say, most people who took part in the poll want masks to stay.//

Yes. And they should also say how they were selected. There is an alarming number of people who want others confined to their homes for the foreseeable (and in many cases, the unforeseeable) future. Many of these people are probably in need of psychiatric treatment (which is a pity because they are most unlikely to get that on the NHS at present).

[youngmafbog]

I dont know anyone who wants continual lockdown, apart from some Covid worshipers on here. Everyone I know, including my 91 year old mother wants things back to how they were.

[Atheist]

Does anyone here know what the state pension pays to a pensioner a week?
8% of peanuts is still peanuts.

[youngmafbog]

Depends on how many years you paid in. Not how much you paid in now.


Or how many weeks benefit you have claimed.

[davebro]

//Does anyone here know what the state pension pays to a pensioner a week?//

Rough guess the most for fully qualifying OAPS is about £140pw or £170pw if you retired more recently. If in receipt of the basic only (no other income) other "benefits" would kick in - if you applied for them.

[Jackdaw33]

8% per week on my state pension equates to £5.44, barely enough for a couple of extra pints.

[youngmafbog]

Hardly enough for one pint - unless you sup in the 'Spoons. (And yes I do I'm not running it down like many on here).

[New Judge]

//8% per week on my state pension equates to £5.44, barely enough for a couple of extra pints.//

Indeed. If you're on £50k then 8% is quite handy (though the government will nick £908 of your £4k increase). But it's not so clever if you are in receipt of the basic State Pension (which is about £140pw for most people who retired before 2016) your increase will be around £11 a week, but the government will nick at least 20% of that if you have other income which takes you above the income tax personal allowance.

[Deskdiary]

I find this attitude that people who choose not to wear a mask from next Monday, where they don’t have to, are somehow uncaring and selfish, really quite bizarre.

St Gness the other day categorically stated it, and there’s one or two others on here as well who think the same.

If Tesco tell me I no longer have to, then I won’t - it doesn’t mean those who choose to continue to wear them in Tesco are somehow morally superior to me.

[vulcan42]

Something that's rarely mentioned when the question of pensions arises, like many thousands of other pensioners I'm still paying income tax and will have to do so until I die.

[New Judge]

//I find this attitude that people who choose not to wear a mask from next Monday, where they don’t have to, are somehow uncaring and selfish, really quite bizarre.//

I don't find it bizarre at all, DT. I find it bloody insulting. It is, I'm afraid, typical of the morally superior attitude that some people take when they believe that their preferences trump those of others. If the government believes that it should be a matter of choice whether one is worn or not, then any person's choice should be respected.