Anti-Vaxxer Rally…Creepy?

[sp1814]

When anti-vaxxer rallies begin to look like
The Nuremberg Rally, should we be concerned:
https://twitter.com/marclister3k/status/1418907451190038533?s=21

If not, why not?

[royfromaus]

Just get your bloody jabs and then you can't catch covid...simples innit!

[jim360]

The thread was briefly closed, which presumably explains the missing replies. I'm honestly not sure why -- it may have been a simple accident. One of mine went missing as well.

[fcc]

Leeches are still used in hospitals.

[nailit]

//Just get your bloody jabs and then you can't catch covid...simples innit! //
Er, apparently not.
Majority of care homes around where I live have all got covid, despite the fact that all staff and carers have been double jabbed....

[naomi24]

atheist, //Naomi may, of course, correct me if I am wrong. //

Don't bring me into your arguments with other people. I've said my bit on this subject.

[jim360]

"Jim, it's more about the vaccine, than covid. You are posting as if people will definitely get one or the other- and should just work out the risks."

This is true, I'm excluding the third option of never catching Covid at all, but I don't think this is all that unreasonable. Covid has proven to be extremely effective at spreading quickly and widely -- without the vaccine, or other extreme controls, the probability that any given catches it at some point is very high, although by no means a certainty.

So in that sense, the probability of not catching Covid at all, given that you never had the vaccine, is likely to be low. On those grounds, the argument presented before still holds.

[Theland]

I think its selfish not to get jabbed and then mix with the public.

[pixie374]

Opposite here, nailit. Most residents double jabbed- very few of the staff. Three residents got covid (all returned from hospital with it). And a few staff, including my daughter.
It didn't spread any further though (over a year), as all staff were regularly tested and isolated, if necessary.

[jim360]

Also, I'm very much not presenting it as a 50/50 gamble. Getting the vaccination is barely a gamble at all, and even among those catching Covid the risk of serious effects are significantly less than 50/50.

[pixie374]

Still more honest to include it though, Jim. Anyone undecided really needs proper info, and not one-sided opinions. Otherwise, they just won't believe anything or know who to trust.

[pixie374]

No, I don’t just mean you, Jim. Often people are - vax is safer than covid. Where clearly, that isn't entirely all the truth and it isn't that simple.

[nailit]

//I think its selfish not to get jabbed and then mix with the public//

Would you think it selfish not to get jabbed and mix with the public if it were a flu vaccine? Polio? Measles? Rubella? Mumps?

[Theland]

The risks have to weighed.
The case for Covid VAX is overwhelming.

[jim360]

The thing about the third option is that it's very difficult to estimate, but the chances of not catching Covid at all are certainly much reduced given that most countries with vaccination programs have relaxed restrictions. Based on the assumption that 0.5% of Covid cases end in fatality, we can assume that around half of the UK has had Covid at one point or another, although it should be stressed that this is only a ballpark figure.

Where the data *is* available is on the risks due to vaccines (extremely low) and due to Covid (low, but significantly higher). There are times, and this is one of them, when paying too much heed to the inevitable uncertainty only serves to muddy the waters. There's nothing misleading, then, in saying that the far lesser risk, and far greater benefit, is in being vaccinated. It helps yourself, it helps others around you, and it's the country's -- and the world's -- way out of this mess.

[pixie374]

0.5% fatality? And we're letting people die of cancer etc instead.

[naomi24]

Words, words and more words.

Bottom line.

How many have died of Covid? Quite a lot.

How many of died of the vaccine. Very few.

Conclusion: It’s safer to get vaccinated than to get Covid.

[nailit]

And the 0.5% fatalites died WITH covid NOT from covid!

[THECORBYLOON]

NAILIT, if you believe the risk of death or paralysis from taking the jag is higher than the risk of dying from COVID, do you have any links to substantiate that belief?

[pixie374]

True naomi, unless you are the one who dies...

[naomi24]

Nailit, I know the arguments - I've supported them - but it's still safer to protect yourself.