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Javid Contracts Foot In Mouth

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Gromit | 09:24 Sun 25th Jul 2021 | News
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130,000 have died, 1 million active cases, thousands in hospital.
Javid is fortunate to get a mild dose so he is telling people not to cower over covid.
Even if he doesn’t give a toss about people who have lost a loved one, it is a stupid and insensitive thing to say.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/25/sajid-javids-advice-to-not-cower-from-covid-provokes-angry-backlash
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> Let's have a look at what he said: > “Please, if you haven’t yet, get your jab, as we learn to live with, rather than cower from, this virus.” Yes, that is what he said. So he's saying that there are two types of people in this world, those who live with it, and those who cower from it. The usual black-and-white divisive political dog-whistling populist claptrap.
13:40 Mon 26th Jul 2021
No, it is not a piddling irrelevance.

To you as a Covid worshiper it may be because the figures are giving you what you want, but to those of us trying to find the truth in a myriad of lies and untruths it is important data.

YMB: "I'm also sick to death of stats being manipulated, percentages used when numbers are low to scare those that dont understand stats and graphs that are using out of date data with modelling that is beyond belief. " - well that's most of AB there me old china! Especially gully! well to be fair he's clueless generally!
rash to accuse people of cowardice as they try to keep themselves and their families safe, in the face of a disease whose effects are not yet fully understood.
the problem now is that we have a section of society that are loving this and want to keep it going as long as poss. The pandemic is over, more people die of other things every day but they ant to keep it going, It's like xmas to the jobsworth types that devise ever more elaborate BS. It's over, end of!
Gully’s not the worst offender for manipulating figures, TTT.
//the problem now is that we have a section of society that are loving this and want to keep it going as long as poss. //

What we have here is a failure to communicate. The same scrotes who scweem about a lack of direct instruction and set roools are the same scrotes who given just that, scweem about micromanagement , totalitarianism, restrictions of freedom(including thinking for their tiny selves) and the destruction of democracy as we know it Jim. Ignore them at your peril. They do not go away. They take the lack of a good kick in the nether regions as encouragement and invent even more self righteous, eye bulging, demented, ramblings and needy emotionally incontinent false alarms.
18:39 Yes TTT and as long as the government listen to these people and allow them to hold sway like they do, we will NEVER be free ! A lot of us just want to get back to normal asap and live with the virus as we know we have to do, but these scaremongering types simply won't let go (there are quite a few of them on here). Javid was a fool to apologise, he spoke the truth, but as usual bowed to pressure when some people complained !
^ sorry 18:38 ...
18,42 You are making a fool of yourself again Naomi.
In all the countless threads we've had on covid over the year there are always (often the same) posters who throw out the guilt ball along the lines of tell that to the families who've lost loved ones to covid. Never once do I see the covid obsessed expressing sorry for the thousands that have almost certainly suffered or even died from something else because they couldn't get the medical attention they needed. I can only guess that's because they are of the mindset that dying from covid is far worse than any other death.
So you are the worst offender, Gulliver. Apologies to the other bloke. ;o)
Naomi at 6.42pm.
Gulliver at 7.24pm.
Naomi at 7.29pm.

Brilliant - you've made a right wally of yourself Gulliver. Again.

Playing the guilt card really irritates that bejesus out of me; there are two posters, one of whom is on this thread, and the other is Irish, who adopt a very superior, holier than thou attitude, and refer to people who choose not to wear masks as selfish.

One of the worst offenders for posting stats, but providing zero context, is Gromit; he's been doing it since day one, and from day one has never provided context.
//Never once do I see the covid obsessed expressing sorry for the thousands that have almost certainly suffered or even died from something else//

Indeed, Prudie. And nothing demonstrates this more clearly that the OP's post at 14:24:

//There were 86 deaths yesterday. Can you imagine their relatives hearing Javid telling them to stop cowering?//

Never mind the other 95% plus of people who died. Just the 86. I'm afraid many people in this country have lost their marbles. They are suffering from anxiety, fear and paranoia over a disease that is currently reasonably under control. The government is stoking that paranoia and it cannot continue. We will not achieve "zero Covid" but that is what many people seek and will not let up. They need to stay in so that the rest of us can get properly out and about.
19.44 make a note in your diary today deskdiary. Write in there........In capital letters.......
(Why do I keep making stupid posts on answer bank). Then underline it in red, just to remind you, not to keep on doing it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57962995

Here comes the cavalry. :-P
gromit: "There were 86 deaths yesterday. Can you imagine their relatives hearing Javid telling them to stop cowering? " - what about the 1700+ that died from something else? How many of those didn't need to? How many would have survived if the NHS wasn't focused on 1 issue?
What gets me about Covid and the AB posters, is that some people from the start said it was something we have to live with. There were also those who posted daily almost abusive rants about the idiots, morons, cretins etc. who didn't wear masks, were going out when they weren't supposed to, were not keeping the almost impossible six feet six inch gap between them and others. Now they're also saying we have to live with it and posting insults about people who are still fearful of it. They can't remember themselves from a year ago.
DD, you've missed the expert stats juggler.
If this is the best people can come up with to attack him about, he's probably doing OK so far.
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// what about the 1700+* that died from something else? //

What about them? Javid hasn’t said people dying of old age or disease shouldn’t cower about it. If he had I would have said he was being insensitive about them too.

* 1700+. I think that includes the covid deaths. On a normal non covid year about 550,000 people die, which works out at nearer 1500 deaths a day. The extra 200 deaths a day this year will be the covid deaths.

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