Prince Andrew (Enough Said)

[Bobbisox1]

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-andrew-us-lawsuit-accuses-royal-of-sexually-abusing-virginia-giuffre-12377669

I’ve read the transcript but I’m not sure how anyone could be ‘forced’ to have sex at 17 yrs old unless they had a gun to her head, otherwise this would surely be rape wouldn’t it?
I’m no fan of PA, far from it but again just wondered how she was ‘forced’ to have sex with him and other prominent figures,and I’m not saying she’s to blame either but I would like to know

[bhg481]

She certainly doesn't look like she's under duress in any of the photos.

[Bobbisox1]

NUFC? Serves me right for abbreviations :0) * enough *

[Bobbisox1]

Bhg, I have to agree unless of course drugs were used?

[eve74]

Yes I’m with you ! I realise we shld to question this sort of accusation but I don’t think PA ought to be penalised for her bad judgement (and btw yes 17 yo do have bad judgement - and that’s how life experience is formed).

Oh and I think PA is a slimy toad in general

[mushroom25]

this type of situation was explored in one of the President Trump retrospectives from last year. a girl they interviewed (it might have been Stormy Daniels, I don't know) said she was wined and dined by "the donald" and he asked her about her ambitions, she was aiming high. they went back to his room and he ended up on the bed, naked. she balked at this, and he said "well I guess you're not serious about your ambitions then?" she said the president hadn't forced himself on her, but the inevitable happened. moral blackmail, maybe?

[youngmafbog]

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

Not really enough information to make a call. Needs all sides of the story plus witnesses.

[barry1010]

Where's the transcript, Bobbi, as I have yet to read it. What is nufc?

[naomi24]

I think he’s an arrogant, brainless, silly man, but I don’t believe her for a moment. She went to that house several times but if she was assaulted I have to wonder why she went back
for more?

[Bobbisox1]

I read what her lawyer is saying , maybe transcript wrong word ( in my link) knock trans off :0)
I put ‘nuff said’in my OP and pretext had it as nufc, Newcastle United football Club which is quite fitting really ;0)

[barry1010]

Your post disturbs me a bit, Bobbi. Are you saying that a person has not been raped or sexually abused unless there is evidence of violence or a threat of murder?

[Patsy33]

She was frightened, threatened if she left. A lot of the girls felt trapped.
I remember listening to her and others about this.

[Bobbisox1]

I’m not saying any of those things Barry,I’m more curious as I’ve said twice in my OP as to how she was ‘forced’ to have sex with PA, now if you can address this instead of assuming I’m blaming her?
I’m not, he’s a cretin and a sleaze all to boot !!!

[Bobbisox1]

Thanks Patsy

[Bobbisox1]

If the Ed/Mod is about, please can you change NUFC to Enough in the header, thanks

[barry1010]

Epstein was found guilty of sex trafficking and coercing young women to have sex with men.
I don't know if Andrew abused her or not but I wouldn't assume he didn't just because she is smiling in that photo.

[eve74]

It’s a difficult one as each case needs to be judged on its merits.

As someone who had been at the mercy of “older” men in my late teens early twenties (it’s a long story - a bit sad - but no worse than lots of women) I can understand coercion and bad decisions. I understand how older men can take advantage of impressionable young women. But…although those experiences are all (without exception) regretted by me wld I lay a charge against the men now. No. Because I did have free will. I simply was too naive to exercise it at the time. And if anything I blame my upbringing for not equipping me with the confidence to say no.

[eve74]

Amendment- mid teens to early twenties. (Now that I think about it).

It’s a period in my life I don’t dwell on tbh - for good reason

[Bobbisox1]

Eve I so pleased you’ve been strong enough to get through such a horrible ordeal and yes I can see that wielding power be it by age, money or both could have had an impact on 17-18 yr olds

[davebro]

Surely it's a case of "grooming"? As in the instances of gangs in various towns in Britain - but of a much higher class of course!

[barry1010]

There are lots of reports online from Epstein's victims, such as this one
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article235247637.html