I Sincere Hope We Aren’t Sending Our Troops Back In To Ahghanistan

[Bobbisox1]

Why aren’t countries like Saudi,Kuwait and a lot more Arab states just sitting back and watching it all unfold again, that’s unless they want to see Sharia Law and brutal beatings carried out in football stadia ?

https://news.sky.com/story/pm-to-hold-emergency-cobra-meeting-over-worsening-situation-in-afghanistan-12380534

[ichkeria]

The failure is a failure of will.
And gumption
That’s the sad thing

[Peter Pedant]

// My guess is that lots of Taliban support comes from elements within Pakistan //

I must not c/p - I must not c/p - not a guess. The short viddie of Hillary Clinton snarling - "and you are breeding snakes in your back yard and you will learn the hard way..."
is Hillary letting off to the Pakistanis about their well known support. 20 y ago at least

Pakistani ASA ( =MI5) was heavily infitrated with Taliban supporters and then - - - it became ( Taliban support ) state policy !
There wasnt a great cull of Taliban agents.

[Peter Pedant]

The failure is a failure of will.
And gumption

nope - - I dont want Tommies to die in Afghan. It aint worf it
AND it is obvious despite the loud squawking that the population there support the Taliban

[ichkeria]

Some do most don’t.
It’s like anywhere: the old and the conservative support the “old ways”.
Including religious custom.
The Taliban of 2021 is a b different one from the Taliban of 2001: younger, less sure of itself, probably less fanatical. None of which is much consolation to anyone

[Peter Pedant]

// Some do most don’t.//
most do

Have you noticed in Kabul, Yogit Maker is wearing a chador, whilst bewailing the Taliban advance,
and the Indian lass who interviewed the Taliban speaker in Doha was showing her long raven locks ( shows she is unmarried )

so the actions/pictures speak louder than words.....

why are the marxists at the Beeb agonising over this, can anyone tell me?

[naomi24]

I don’t think they’re less fanatical,ich. I think their philosophy is spreading.

[New Judge]

//nope - - I dont want Tommies to die in Afghan.//

And neither do I. For once Peter and I are in complete agreement.

The only way to preserve (relative) peace in Afghanistan is for a permanent and sizeable force of troops to be stationed there forevermore. It is totally unreasonable to expect this. The US and the UK (plus one or two sundry others) have spent twenty years, billions of $$$s/£££s and sacrificed many lives in an effort to preserve the peace. The Afghan security forces have been trained and equipped at considerable expense and it is quite obvious that as soon as foreign troops depart the situation deteriorates rapidly.

They will now have to get on with it. It may well be that it becomes a terrorist training ground. Quite honestly the West has not been too successful in preventing terrorist atrocities even with US/UK forces on the ground there, so the West will have to deal with that as it arises. To expect foreign countries to permanently station their troops tin order to control large numbers of religious lunatics who are stuck in the middle ages is totally unrealistic.

[Ellipsis]

We have shown a generation what life could be like.

Some liked it, some didn't. The ones that didn't are still young enough and well equipped enough to be fighting back now.

We'd probably need to be there for at least three generations, not just one, for it all to bed in properly.

[LeonBlank1995]

The Taliban, Isis, Boko Harum, Al qaeda, Shamina Begum, public beheadings, Lockerbie, 9/11, The London Bombings, Lee Rigby, torturing rape victims because they are impure, Ariande Grande concert, Habu Hamza, female circumcision, Rochdale child abuse, menstruation is dirty, etc etc etc......The religion of peace.

[ichkeria]

I don’t agree that you needed to have stationed large numbers of troops there forever more.
You DID need to be more clued up about how to hand over the reins.
The US was fixated on a deadline of 9/11.
Which always struck me as a bizarre choice anyway. Nothing else it seemed mattered.
I’d say that was pretty crazy

[Deskdiary]

Is Camp Bastion Mark 2 on the horizon?

I’m conflicted.

On the one hand we know the Taliban are killing innocent people and rounding girls up as young as 12 to use as “Jihadi Brides” (in actual fact, to act as underage sex slaves and baby machines), but on the other hand, short of becoming a permanent presence and allowing Brits to be killed, what are we meant to do?

I’m bloody glad this isn’t a decision I have to make.

[Theland]

Maybe the answer is to find the strongest Warlord, and arm him to the teeth and give him plenty of money to quell his opponents.
Make him a puppet of the west.

[Deskdiary]

Perhaps it’s because I’ve been in the pub all afternoon (it probably is), but that doesn’t sound like a bad idea!

[naomi24]

^Dream on.

[youngmafbog]

We have tried that TheLand -we funded ISIS.

I wouldnt worry about it too much. The Chinese were making noises the other week that they want to take their Super Highway there so watch this space. The Chinese wont be fighting with their hands toed behind their backs like the West is, any liberals bleating about human rights dont last long and the Chinese are as brutal if not worse than The Taliban.

Could be interesting, unless you are stuck in the middle of it.

[Bobbisox1]

So pleased that the Embassy staff are coming home but even more pleasing is they’re bringing out the Afghans who’ve helped us in the last 20 years

[Peter Pedant]

// Maybe the answer....... puppet of the west.//

americans tried it ( CIA ) - many times
didnt work
The govt in Kabul, was corrupt, pocketed american money and didnt pay army - oops
American are said to have spent a trillion dollare - yes $1tn

[sevenOP]

PP: "and evacuating troops and not ensuring that the civilians and embassy staff were OK, I thought a bit cack-eyed"

I hope these 'civilians' have got/get out safely -
"as of January 2021, there are still approximately 18,000 military contractors, in which a third are U.S. citizens, in Afghanistan President Biden stated on July 8, 2021, that the war in Afghanistan will officially conclude on August 31, 2021"

Operation Enduring Freedom's 13 years, became Operation Freedom's Sentinel in 2015-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freedom%27s_Sentinel

[Gromit]

The Saudis invented the Taliban, so they are not going to end it.
In the 1970/80s the Saudis set up Madrases (Schools) in Pakistan to train Mujahedin to fight holy war in neighbouring Afghanistan which had been occupied by Soviet Russia.
Saudi Arabia is home to a particularly nasty form of Islam called Wahabism. The Saudi Royals feared revolution by their young Islamists so they decided to send them to Pakistan. Effectively exporting their muslim extremists out of the country.
When the Russians were beaten it left a vacuum of power in Afghanistan. The Mujahedin transformed themselves into the Taliban and seized power.
The madrases were financed by Saudi Arabia, and the Mujahedin got money from them too, and also from the United States.

[Bobbisox1]

Gromit that’s very interesting, thanks