Does Any Fat Person Really Not Know Why They Are Fat?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58996499

[ToraToraTora]

barry: "TTT, he died aged 80 of aortic rupture whilst lifting weights inthe gym - caused by congenital heart failure. " - he died aged 32.

[pixie374]

Has anyone got a link for Jon pall please? I googled.... but found an overmuscled man, which obviously wasn't intended here.

[ToraToraTora]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3n_P%C3%A1ll_Sigmarsson

[pixie374]

Thanks, ttt, no doubt one of my relatives! ... very sad, but not surprising from the images given.

[ToraToraTora]

you are from Iceland, Pixie?

[pixie374]

Half. My mum is. I've messaged my sister actually,,, as she did the family tree.

[Spicerack]

I've worked away with blokes that drank the same as me, ate at least twice as much food as me and did half as much physical work. They were and still are skinny as, well, you know. I even call them skinny.
So, I know for a fact it's more complicated than a simple, calories in-calories expended. (in some cases)

[pixie374]

Unless they have the same genes as you too.... there will be differences.

[Barsel]

Sometimes it isn't how much you eat but what you eat as I found out for myself recently.
I thought my diet was fairly good, but my weight was creeping up and up then one day I noticed my Son-in-law had lost some weight so I asked him how he had done it and he said, by cutting out the carbs.
So, I did that and before long I'd lost 1 1/2 stone.
Just to check that was the cause, I went back to eating bread and potatoes and slowly but surely my weight started to creep back up.
Now I've proved it to myself, I have gone back to not eating as much bread and looking at the carb content on other foods, but I do allow myself carbs at the week-end as a treat, and the weight is starting to come off again.

[pixie374]

She says he's our great-uncle:-)

[pixie374]

Definitely barsel, some foods have more calories than others and last longer.

[ToraToraTora]

spice: "So, I know for a fact it's more complicated than a simple, calories in-calories expended." - it that simple but some just use a lot more calories. I know a guy at work who's like a bean pole, never stops eating, when they do a lunch 2 for £x special he has them both! But he never stops moving can't sit still. The basic equation is correct but we don't always realise how little energy we are using compared to the bean pole mob.

[pixie374]

Also, people use different amounts of energy, depending on how fidgety they are. It doesn't take much.

[Barsel]

There are lots of things to take into account when someone is trying to lose weight and I honestly believe that a lot of people who are overweight don't know what those things are.
There are also those who couldn't care less that they are overweight and prefer to eat lots of takeaways and junk food simply because they enjoy them.
They are probably the ones who will take absolutely no notice of what the government has to say about it.

[davebro]

I have never dieted & never will. Maybe some small
adjustments but nothing drastic.
I predicted some years ago that I would probably die when I was 75. It's my 75th birthday in December!
I would rather go quick from a physical cause than suffer a slow mental decline.

[youngmafbog]

Unless you are a miracle of Science if you are fat, with fat cells, the you are consuming too much.

What some seem to not be getting on here is that some conditions seem to make the body more or less efficient. In those cases the 'standard' daily calorie intake is not correct and needs to be adjusted accordingly.

You are what you eat. I should know being a bit of a porker myself.

[AuntPG]

Fat and weight: Different things. I have known of people with 18% body fat that weighed so much they were into the 'obese' catagory for BMI. I also know someone who weight 9 stone and had 35% body fat and was classed a 'healthy BMI'

Look at Race Horses v Cart horses or bull dogs v greyhounds. Both probably eat the same amount of food, but because of genetics one will always look skinnier than the other. People are the same. Some people, like myself, are genetically programmed to gain muscle very easily and no amount of dieting would ever get me to the 'healthy' weight I should be -although I've never gone above a size 12 before-but I do be careful about what I eat. My best friend at school was like a stick insect and ate like a horse ,but in later life suffered from high cholesterol and a fatty liver, but remained a size 8.
So people who do not conform to the shape society seems to think they should be are not the shape or size they are solely because they overeat, but genetics and possible medical conditions may come into it as well. A well muscled 6 ft person with 20% body fat will look larger and weight heavier than a 6 ft slim person with 30% body fat.

[ToraToraTora]

yes APG, we need to get away from the obsession with BMI, under that most rugby players are clinically obese. Body composition is more important but much more difficult to measure accurately.

[AuntPG]

My son is an amateur Rugby player, built like a brick you know what, goes to the gym every day, 5ft 10 weighs 16 stone with around 19% body fat. He went for a medical for a new job and the nurse told him he was clinically obese!

[dave50]

Reading the answers proves a point, people looking for medical reasons why some people are fat, they are in a minority. For the vast majority, it is intake of calories against physical activity, it's as simple as that and everyone I'm sure knows that but some won't admit it and try to find medical or psychological reasons to excuse their obesity.