Germany In Grip Of 4Th Wave

[Stickybottle]

Their health minister warns that soon everyone will be vaccinated
Recovered or dead

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59378548

[pixie374]

Ok, it appears he actually said exactly that! Doesn't give confidence, does it?

[ToraToraTora]

STOP LYING GROMIT 88.3% have been vaccinated in the UK. What WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA HERE WITH THESE CONTINUOUS LIES? Do you want another lock down so you don't look an idiot like you have since April?

[pixie374]

TTT, I would be worried about a "health minister" blatantly lying? That's scary.

[Gromit]

TTT

// 150ish deaths a day //

UK daily deaths.
Wednesday 201
Thursday 199
Friday 157
Saturday 150
Monday 45

// stop it with the BS gromit our deaths yesterday were 45. //

[ichkeria]

Yes the vaccination rate in the UK is over 80%
This is certailny a virus though that is going to be a very long time getting fully under control.
Russia's is 35% and they have had 1000 daily deaths for months. Officially

[New Judge]

//Germany’s daily cases and deaths are almost identical to the UK, 40,000+ daily cases, and 150ish deaths a day.

We are quite content to do nothing.//

You really must get a grip, Gromit.

The UK has vaccinated just about everybody who wants it. It has provided boosters to most of the people who need it. Since the beginning of October the UK's infection rate has remained mainly between 34,000 and 44,000, although there was a peak of about 47,000 in the third week of October. The figure now stands at 41,000. By contrast Germany's infections stood at about 7,500 in early October. Last Friday they hit 64,000. Similarly the UK's daily deaths stood at 115 in early October. They peaked at 170 two weeks ago and now stand at 147. The early October figure for Germany was 52 and today it stands at 215.

The UK's hospitalisation figures continue to decline. New daily admissions were over 1,000 at the beginning of December; now they are around 800-850. The numbers in hospital similarly continue to reduce. In early November there were around 9,600, yesterday's figure was 8,088.

In short there is simply no comparison between the progression of the disease in Germany compared to that in the UK. Many countries on the Continent seem to be experiencing a surge in both cases and deaths which the UK does not seem to be mirroring. So when you say "we are doing nothing", what exactly would you have us do, and why?

[New Judge]

And I keep saying, Gromit, as far as deaths go, you should stop citing individual daily figures. The people who do the counting seem unable to do so properly over the weekend so you should, as a minimum, use a seven day average. Our seven day average peaked at 170 on 8th November and now (with the publication of today's figures) stands at 140.

One other consideration: the UK does by far and away the greatest amount of testing in Europe. If Germany tested the same numbers it is highly likely their infection rate would be considerably higher than it is.

[Peter Pedant]

well babies
have we had this
https://www.google.com/search?q=vaccination+rate+in+uk&rlz=1C1ONGR_en-GBGB933GB933&oq=vaccination+rate+in&aqs=chrome.0.0i131i433i512j69i57j0i131i433i512j0i131i433j0i131i433i512l2j0i3j0i512l3.8314j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

first vacc 75% ( probably most impt)
fully vacc 68% - todays result - cute little cursor parallel to the Y axis available

so I am afraid Gromit wins that
and TTT 88% is a little inky pinky porky

[Peter Pedant]

// One other consideration: t........would be considerably higher than it is.//

jesus judges dont learn - if say there is 1000 per million cases in a country - and you sample 500, the proportion is gonna be the same as if you sample 1000 - - you will in fact get more positives but not in proportion or ratio

if one day there is 15 ( per million) and the next day it is 30 per million then the doubling RATE - not ratio - is one day

this has been the case since at least 1850

[ToraToraTora]

these are the figures PP
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
88.3% over 11 double jabbed, end of.

[New Judge]

//jesus judges dont learn - if say there is 1000 per million cases in a country - and you sample 500, the proportion is gonna be the same as if you sample 1000 - - you will in fact get more positives but not in proportion or ratio//

But, for those of us who have difficulty learning, we’re not talking about proportions or ratios are we? We’re talking about absolute numbers. It is remarked that Germany has the same number of daily infections as the UK. So, if 5% of tests are positive (which is actually about the right percentage for the UK) then if you conduct 100,000 tests in a day you will get 5,000 positives. If you test 1,000,000 people in a day you will get 50,000 positives. The more you test, the more cases you will find. It ain’t rocket science. It ain’t even probability. It’s what’s known in scientific terms as the bleeding obvious.

[bobbinwales]

//If Germany tested the same numbers it is highly likely their infection rate would be considerably higher than it is.//

Am just clarifying the query PeterPedant may have with this, it maybe the use of the word 'rate' for which maybe your absolute numbers or meaning per day but PP reads it as rate per 000 or million etc in the population

[douglas9401]

[bobbinwales]

Uk figures are looking favorable compare to Germany etc and Gromit seems to be cherry picking to make ours look worse than they is.... but we have to be wary as we'er talking about waves- are we ahead or are we behind. And with travel it could lead to an increase here

[Togo]

Infection rate is not infection percentage.

[davebro]

however you measure it we are currently doing better than most of Europe (considerably better IMV).

[Togo]

I blame it on Brexit Davebro. :))

[New Judge]

//Am just clarifying the query PeterPedant may have with this, it maybe the use of the word 'rate' for which maybe your absolute numbers or meaning per day but PP reads it as rate per 000 or million etc in the population//

Good point, bob. Peter and I have often debated the use of the term "rate". But I agree, it can be misunderstood in these circumstances. I've always maintained that more tests = more cases (all else being equal) and was simply continuing this theme when talking about absolute numbers. But I agree my terminology could be misleading here. Thanks for the correction

[davebro]

//I blame it on Brexit Davebro. :))//

So do I - without Brexit our vax program would have been hindered & we would now be in a 4th serious wave.

[Togo]

Can you imagine the invective if the stats and circumstances were reversed Davebro? It would be non stop from the remainiacs and the peevish press. Instead??? Nothing, not a peep in acknowledgement of our Government and ourselves getting it right ... and still the anti British look for a way to hurt us.