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A Fudge By Nicola Sturgeon
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Nicola Sturgeon has failed to act properly in her weekly performance on Covid She has ruled out extending vaccine passports to bars cafes etc which I think is a mistake and worst of all last week John Swinney said he was planning on tightening up regulations on mask wearing, something that has not been done. This is a total failure things are going to get worse
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Supressing the virus through lockdowns was only an emergency measure done to protect the NHS while we developed a vaccine. Once we had developed it and rolled it out, we could start going about our business again. Its far more important to get everyone vaccinated now and not sustainable nor effective to attempt to supress the virus .
//Eh?//
What’s puzzling you, bob? Shirley has made a comparison between 'flu and Covid by suggesting it will be around for many years. I did the same a while ago and I was accused of saying "Covid's only like 'flu" (or words to that effect). I still hear that accusation reverberated regularly (probably when my accuser has either taken too much of something he ought not to, or too little of something he should).
//Except it can. [be surpressed]//
Only with Draconian measures such as preventing people leaving their homes (in which I include self-isolation after testing positive) and by closing the businesses that they might choose to visit. These both come with enormous collateral damage which is only now being realised. All the rest such as face coverings and “social distancing” is just fannying around and simply making life uncomfortable.
As above, the idea of lockdowns was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed at the start of the pandemic. Well it wasn’t then and it won’t be now. The threat of lockdowns should be removed entirely from politicians’ vocabulary as there is no justification to threaten it as a way to manage demand on the NHS. I understand the problem entirely. The difference between us is that I also understand the damage that is being caused by the measures that have been taken (and are still threatened) supposedly to address it. I’m pleased to learn that finally the government has come round to a more sensible approach, although we will have to wait until spring for it to be taken):
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What’s puzzling you, bob? Shirley has made a comparison between 'flu and Covid by suggesting it will be around for many years. I did the same a while ago and I was accused of saying "Covid's only like 'flu" (or words to that effect). I still hear that accusation reverberated regularly (probably when my accuser has either taken too much of something he ought not to, or too little of something he should).
//Except it can. [be surpressed]//
Only with Draconian measures such as preventing people leaving their homes (in which I include self-isolation after testing positive) and by closing the businesses that they might choose to visit. These both come with enormous collateral damage which is only now being realised. All the rest such as face coverings and “social distancing” is just fannying around and simply making life uncomfortable.
As above, the idea of lockdowns was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed at the start of the pandemic. Well it wasn’t then and it won’t be now. The threat of lockdowns should be removed entirely from politicians’ vocabulary as there is no justification to threaten it as a way to manage demand on the NHS. I understand the problem entirely. The difference between us is that I also understand the damage that is being caused by the measures that have been taken (and are still threatened) supposedly to address it. I’m pleased to learn that finally the government has come round to a more sensible approach, although we will have to wait until spring for it to be taken):
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Maggiebee @ 15:26
\\Regulations on mask wearing seem to have gone out the window. Nobody in England wears them and many think they are of little/no use. Scots are beginning to stop wearing them too.//
Lots of people are still wearing them on public transport and in enclosed places and they are mandatory in my hospital
\\Regulations on mask wearing seem to have gone out the window. Nobody in England wears them and many think they are of little/no use. Scots are beginning to stop wearing them too.//
Lots of people are still wearing them on public transport and in enclosed places and they are mandatory in my hospital
//Only with Draconian measures such as preventing people leaving their homes (in which I include self-isolation after testing positive) //
Unbelievable that you still think infectious people should be expected to carry on and infect others so the spread continues to cause deaths and more illness and more hospital beds. Unbelievable. You cant be serious surly
Unbelievable that you still think infectious people should be expected to carry on and infect others so the spread continues to cause deaths and more illness and more hospital beds. Unbelievable. You cant be serious surly
//You cant be serious surly//
I most certainly am. Vaccination is available to everyone who wants it. That's the best anyone can do to protect themselves. The population cannot be expected to lock itself away if they happen to test positive for what is, for the vast majority of sufferers, a mild illness. Those who believe they are particularly vulnerable will have to do the isolating. The government suggested that the vaccine was the way back to normality. Well, as many people as seem likely to have it have done so and now is the time for normality. That means no masks, no testing, no self isolation, no social distancing, no constant threats of restrictions. Basically, everything the government suggests will happen under "Operation Rampdown." As I keep saying, this virus is here to stay. So with that in mind, how long do you believe these ridiculous practices are to go on for?
//NJ, as you are so certain, have you given your findings to the Government experts?//
No need. If the UK government or any of the devolved administrations had any suspicion that this might happen we'd have been locked down long ago. As Dave says (and I wholeheartedly agree) the idea that basic freedoms should be restricted or removed as a tool to control demand on the NHS is outrageous. Anyway, I always understood the NHS was there for the benefit of the population, not the other way around.
I most certainly am. Vaccination is available to everyone who wants it. That's the best anyone can do to protect themselves. The population cannot be expected to lock itself away if they happen to test positive for what is, for the vast majority of sufferers, a mild illness. Those who believe they are particularly vulnerable will have to do the isolating. The government suggested that the vaccine was the way back to normality. Well, as many people as seem likely to have it have done so and now is the time for normality. That means no masks, no testing, no self isolation, no social distancing, no constant threats of restrictions. Basically, everything the government suggests will happen under "Operation Rampdown." As I keep saying, this virus is here to stay. So with that in mind, how long do you believe these ridiculous practices are to go on for?
//NJ, as you are so certain, have you given your findings to the Government experts?//
No need. If the UK government or any of the devolved administrations had any suspicion that this might happen we'd have been locked down long ago. As Dave says (and I wholeheartedly agree) the idea that basic freedoms should be restricted or removed as a tool to control demand on the NHS is outrageous. Anyway, I always understood the NHS was there for the benefit of the population, not the other way around.
//The population cannot be expected to lock itself away if they happen to test positive for what is, for the vast majority of sufferers, a mild illness. //
Have you thought of giving this advice to the scientists and doctors who almost all seem to have a diffrent view.
Would you be happy Newjudge, for your dentist or barber if they have covid to lean right over you for 20 minutes, or your barber, or for an infectious careworker to attend to a loved one, or for your taxi driver to breath germs all over the minicab your in to the airport for 30 minutes?
Have you thought of giving this advice to the scientists and doctors who almost all seem to have a diffrent view.
Would you be happy Newjudge, for your dentist or barber if they have covid to lean right over you for 20 minutes, or your barber, or for an infectious careworker to attend to a loved one, or for your taxi driver to breath germs all over the minicab your in to the airport for 30 minutes?
//Would you be happy Newjudge, for your dentist or barber if they have covid to lean right over you for 20 minutes, or your barber, or for an infectious careworker to attend to a loved one, or for your taxi driver to breath germs all over the minicab your in to the airport for 30 minutes?//
As I've explained before, it wouldn't trouble me in the least. I've led near enough a normal lifestyle (as normal as I've been allowed to, that is) for some time. I've been to a barber (but not a dentist). I've been to pubs, bars and restaurants, on buses, trains, tubes and aircraft. I have no idea of the Covid status of any of the people I have been near and nor am I interested. I'm treble jabbed and that's all I can do. I'm fairly certain they have not all been tested and neither have I (apart from the mandatory test I took when returning from abroad). I've no intention of worrying about the health status of everybody I interact with.
I can see a justification for greater precautions to be required for those in the health professions. They are dealing with people who are likely to be vulnerable and who cannot avoid contact with them. But I don't expect my barber to present me with a certificate showing he is free from disease before he cuts my hair and nor, should I hope, does he spend his time taking frequent health tests.
As I've explained before, it wouldn't trouble me in the least. I've led near enough a normal lifestyle (as normal as I've been allowed to, that is) for some time. I've been to a barber (but not a dentist). I've been to pubs, bars and restaurants, on buses, trains, tubes and aircraft. I have no idea of the Covid status of any of the people I have been near and nor am I interested. I'm treble jabbed and that's all I can do. I'm fairly certain they have not all been tested and neither have I (apart from the mandatory test I took when returning from abroad). I've no intention of worrying about the health status of everybody I interact with.
I can see a justification for greater precautions to be required for those in the health professions. They are dealing with people who are likely to be vulnerable and who cannot avoid contact with them. But I don't expect my barber to present me with a certificate showing he is free from disease before he cuts my hair and nor, should I hope, does he spend his time taking frequent health tests.
As long as people who care about the risk of infecting others want it. And as long as some employers want there employees to take tests before coming into work. Them employers are doing it because it makes sense to them to keep the virus out of the workplace, not because they are part of a goverment conspiracy or 'hide under the stairs' types but because they live in the real world not the world of keyboard warriors who think they know more than them or the scientists and medics
//Well answer me this question then, bob. If you accept that frequent testing among people who are not unwell, and their mandatory isolation if they test positive, should continue, how long do you propose that goes on for?//
Isolation of those who test positive should go on for as long as the medical profession and epiimiologists and those who know about these things think theres still a problem. Hopefully next summer but may be 20 years. Maybe a treatment will come along that zaps covid within 24 hours but we'er nowhere near that. Just as we dont let rabid dogs or typhoid sufferers wander the streets. With so many cases and so many deaths and clear signs of new waves in Europe theres no prospect of letting the infected carry on as normal , thats cloud cuckoo land.
You ask some odd questions IMO
Isolation of those who test positive should go on for as long as the medical profession and epiimiologists and those who know about these things think theres still a problem. Hopefully next summer but may be 20 years. Maybe a treatment will come along that zaps covid within 24 hours but we'er nowhere near that. Just as we dont let rabid dogs or typhoid sufferers wander the streets. With so many cases and so many deaths and clear signs of new waves in Europe theres no prospect of letting the infected carry on as normal , thats cloud cuckoo land.
You ask some odd questions IMO
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