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ToraToraTora | 09:01 Tue 30th Nov 2021 | News
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I have to admit that I didn't think about the race thing when I saw Tora say "savage", and I don't think Tora did either, but I think that using the word in a case like this takes away from the times it is used to describe someone more deserving of the title. Anyhoo, back to the OP. He's lost his entire career, so I dare doubt his lesson has been learnt. More impactful is...
13:47 Wed 01st Dec 2021
TTT

Should we speculate before all the evidence had been heard?
Why the obsession with things that happen in the US? Is there not enough going on in the UK to be concerned about? Few "savages" here too who seem to walk our streets without a care in the world.
maggiebee

Obsession????
its canada for chrissakes - (and we are in dear old blighty)

perjury, lying to the police should come with a jail sentence.

well he employed men to beat him up - and there is that girl ( R4 this am) who put a black fella inside for ten years. and just seem to have said ' oops! ' when he was convincingly acquitted ( last week). Not even oops my bad

or the two liddle girls in stefan kiszcko's case where they swore that he had er done something in his car in their sight - when he hadnt and they made if up for a joke
do you think I am proud of what I did? was the only thing one said
the judge had given them £150

Perjury - saying underoath something which is not true - Aitken and Archer, you start off at two years BUT here there has to be an independent witness to the perjured act

Lying to the police o god happens every day where I live
no one including the police seem to give a curse

there are witness offences ( witness doing nardy nardy things) - wasting police time, attempting to pervert the course of justice which are lesser

I feel a bit sorry for him actually
sp1814
Dictionary definition of Obsession

"an idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind."



maggiebee, I'm at a loss to understand where you perceive the obsession to be. I just had a quick flick through TTT's posts and the vast majority by far relate to news in this country.
Possibly the AOG post being referenced.
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1010212.html
I have to admit that I didn't think about the race thing when I saw Tora say "savage", and I don't think Tora did either, but I think that using the word in a case like this takes away from the times it is used to describe someone more deserving of the title.

Anyhoo, back to the OP. He's lost his entire career, so I dare doubt his lesson has been learnt. More impactful is the damage he could have potentialy done to genuine cases of race-hate casting doubt on the validity of claims by victims. A short custodial sentence is probably deserved.
maggiebee

Thanks for the definition - how does it apply here and to whom?

And am I missing something here Mozz / TTT...has be been found guilty? It doesn't look as though he has from the link.
No SP, and if he is cleared of the charges against him, then no sentence will be imposed. That's how a court of law usually works. I'm clearly talking about if he is convicted.
//So you believe anyone who lies to the police should go to prison? //

In the UK he would almost certainly have been charged with “attempting to pervert the course of justice”. This is a serious offence and almost always results in a custodial sentence, even when the perversion is aimed at avoiding only a minor offence. A couple of examples:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47040912

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21737627

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/white-van-man-caught-speed-12687206

All three involve providing false information (AKA telling lies) to the police. There’s plenty more where that came from.
No you'e not 'clearly' talking about if he's convicted.

You and the OP are assuming he's guilty before hearing the court has even heard the evidence.

//He's lost his entire career, so I dare doubt his lesson has been learnt. More impactful is the damage he could have potentialy done to genuine cases of race-hate casting doubt on the validity of claims by victims. A short custodial sentence is probably deserved.//

"I doubt his lesson has been learned."

"A short custodial sentence is probably deserved"

Again - the assumption of guilt.

That is a direct assumption of guilt.
Well yes. If he is cleared of the charges then obviously he doesn't deserve a jail sentence. I'm not stating he is guilty, I'm saying that IF he is found guilty, then he is deserving of a custodial sentence.

Please don't assume to know what I'm thinking.
A sad soul in search of answers to a struggling career.
Shame, wrong solution, do not pass go, do not collect 200 whatever’s.
Naomi, where in my post did I mention TTT? He's not the only poster on here
Who are you talking about then, maggiebee? I can’t see anyone else to whom that applies either.
You didn't have to mention him, you obliquely referenced him when you wrote:
'Why the obsession with things that happen in the US? Is there not enough going on in the UK to be concerned about? Few "savages"'
/// It's wearing a bit thin, TTT ///

You're talking about a guy who has used the phrase "EUSSR" over a thousand times on Ab (the counter stops at 1000).

He is unable to refer to anyone who arouses his displeasure without using an unpleasant epithet.
Spoken like a true VBQC Snowflake Canary ;-)
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