First U K Death From Omicron

[Stickybottle]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59632655

A few on here seemed to be gloating that there had not been a death from it and it was not going to be so bad

Wake up people

[pixie374]

Ah, may happen, mamya. I'm being as careful as possible, but not sure what else I can do now.

[davebro]

If millions are infected with it of course some are going to die WITH it - doesn't mean they died FROM it.

If I have a bad cold & get run over by a bus I didn't die from the bad cold.

[Spicerack]

//Who would have guessed.//

That's exactly what they did. Told the world it was non-contagious until, I think, the middle of March 2020. By then, the damage was done.

[Mamyalynne]

Exactly - but we are drip fed forecasts of ongoing doom everywhere you turn.

[pixie374]

SB, I could also "abound" you with stories of elderly and vulnerable people, who would rather take the risk, than not seeing their families again. And others, who have died purely because their treatments were stopped in favour of covid.

[pixie374]

Depressing... it's actually making me switch off now, tbh. It would be more honest if people had an answer, or even acknowledged there is a risk to vaccines as well. But it's all so one-sided.

[andy-hughes]

Stickybottle - // I imagine fear to be being put to sleep knowing a doctor will shortly be putting me on a ventilator and wondering whether I was going to survive
Stories abound of those who regret not taking the vaccine when offered only to be left feeling terrified when the scenario I have mentioned has been played out //

That overly dramatic scenario is not typical of Covid sufferers, I know, I've had it.

It was nasty, but I didn't die from it, becuase I don't have any 'underlying conditions'

My wife and two of my three daughters have also had Covid, and all survived.

We are now injected and one daughter is also boosted, and life goes on.

I am happy to be careful, and take precautions, but I am not willing to live in a world where the media whips up hysteria and doom-mongering, using misleading information from a government that wilfully misuses statistics.

[jim360]

It's not one-sided. It's just that the risk due to vaccines is measurably vastly smaller than the risk due to Covid. Even the implication that they are comparable is misleading -- it drives posts by others going on about the "long-term effects" of vaccines as something to worry about, presumably ignoring the equally dangerous, and even less well-understood, long-term effects of catching Covid. Merely dying from the disease isn't the only risk of catching it.

[Stickybottle]

pixie374
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SB, I could also "abound" you with stories of elderly and vulnerable people, who would rather take the risk, than not seeing their families again.

As Ebenezer Blackadder would say
I find that to be a lie of sorts

pixie374

And others, who have died purely because their treatments were stopped in favour of covid.

As I pointed out on the Covid passports thread the main reason for cancer treatments being stopped is because the majority of itu beds that would normally be filled by post op cancer patients are instead filled by unvaccinated patients
It is they who are causing the most harm in regards to record waiting lists

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin

[naomi24]

I think ‘with’ rather than ‘from’ is the important issue. According to something I read yesterday the WHO said that in the 38 countries that have reported the presence of the new variant no one has died directly as a result of it.

[anneasquith]

No one has to read any updates ( drip fed or otherwise) Itend to keep myself well informed and up to date .

[Stickybottle]

andy hughes
I am happy to be careful, and take precautions, but I am not willing to live in a world where the media whips up hysteria and doom-mongering, using misleading information from a government that wilfully misuses statistics.

So the truth is out
It is all the fault of the government and not the virus
You sound worse than gulliver Lol !

[Peter Pedant]

// If I have terminal cancer. I fracture my skull (and) am infected with Covid, and then die a day later, I am a Covid statistic, even though by any common-sense analysis, I did not die from the Covid infection.//

is a non-sequitur but it is quite hard to see why.
The following refutes the idea of covid as a marker or coincident

o-covid is around, and has been around - it wasnt 0% yesterday and 1% today - and the first death from testing not causation was today.

well, if it were a marker and it is constantly present then we should have been getting positives at least a week ago ( to avoid a cliff face oops there is goes up scenario)
and we didnt

which drives us to reject that hypothesis that it is a marker ( because it doesnt/didnt mark when it was around)

and that therefore its presence is in some way associated or even gosh causative !

Note if any or all of the usual suspects exclaim "foo maff - not reading that!" I understand

Also occurred in Wuhan - the deaths started in the fish market. No no you say, there was a virus escape in the Wuhan evil chinese lab!
BUT
There were no deaths in the lab OR on the way to the fish market. The (later dead) doctor said clearly - cases have started dying in the fish market. Leading one to conclude no deaths anywhere else: it started in the market

me? o it is obvious covid kills old people

[pixie374]

We all already know that, Jim. The weird thing is, that those happy to keep telling us that, are not acknowledging those risks at the same time. However slight, if it may kill you, you deserve to know. It is one-sided, because the people who know enough to inform others, should also know enough to explain the risks at the same time.

[Peter Pedant]

sqad doesnt like refs and URLs
hey sqad heeeeeeer's another one!

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19/latestinsights

huge - no HUGE - - whopper size amount of info
think bucket and or wheel barrrow

[pixie374]

Call me a liar all you like, SB. It still is true.

[pixie374]

And no, SB, this was well before vaccines were available.

[jim360]

// According to something I read yesterday the WHO said that in the 38 countries that have reported the presence of the new variant no one has died directly as a result of it.//

I've also heard this, or something like it -- today's announcement is the first worldwide death associated with Omicron, I think. But it seems to me to be misleading, for two reasons:

1. It's much harder to test for Omicron specifically than for Covid in general. The UK has recorded I think a shade over 3000 official Omicron cases, which represents almost certainly a fraction of the true total. Likewise around the world, meaning that the lack of official deaths is not necessarily reflective of its true severity.

2. The variant has anyway been around officially for around a month. Most people who die do so around two or three weeks after infection, so, again, this would tend towards any official deaths taking a while to occur. It's sadly likely that the number of Omicron deaths will start to tick up over the next few weeks, and the "zero death rate" so far will, again, not last very long.

Still, there are I believe reasons to suggest that Omicron is at least no less deadly, on average, than Delta or any other Covid variant. It's more concerning that it seems very important to get boosters to protect against Omicron, so that the variant can potentially spread very far before protection starts to kick in.

[Peter Pedant]

indeed I am happy to hear that AH survived covid
but is it possible I ask--- that other people wont and didnt?

so Andie's survival as happy an event as it is for him
has nothing to say to us

it's me isnt it?

[pixie374]

That isn't right either, PP. Covid shows as positive 3 months after recovery. And then there is a further month, where if somebody dies of "anything", it's still recorded as covid.