Tories In Meltdown

[Canary42]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/covid-plan-b-restrictions-nazi-132703636.html

[naomi24]

Bobbin, you’re concerned that we have to //let the infected wander free//?

Do you know how that sounds? And you think comparisons to Nazis is silly?

[bobbinwales]

Don't get your point naomi. Can you explain it or I'll just assume your trying to score a point by misquoting me.

[naomi24]

Bobbin, You are concerned that the infected will be allowed to roam free aren’t you … or did I misunderstand?

[bobbinwales]

In newjudges world yes ....he's said the economy needs them out working and shopping. And testing is pointless he says. Just let it spread he says because that's what viruses do.
Letting it rip is abdication of goverment.
Testing or vaccine status checks for certain large events is sensible risible goverment not naziism

[bobbinwales]

Risible shouls say responsible

[naomi24]

bobbin, do you know that you're not carrying it?

[New Judge]

I've mentioned many times before, bob, that it's not solely the economy I am concerned about. It is the (non-Covid) health of the population, children's education and the general wellbeing of everybody. It would be really nice if you could mention those things as well occasionally so that I do not sound like a money grabbing Tory.

As for "allowing the infected to wander free", that's exactly what I am suggesting. There are hundreds of thousands of people doing just that every day and to develop a regime that restricts a small number of them on highly speculative bases is ridiculous.

Yes I do object to the right to protest and do not see it as any more authoritarian than I would if burglary was legal and I objected to that.

[gumboot]

//Why is it going too far to impose it to go shopping, but not too far if you want to go to a pub or restaurant? What makes you think it will not be imposed for those activities anyway?//

In case you hadn't noticed, we don't need to go to the pub, but we do need to eat.

[ToraToraTora]

naomi: "I never understand why people like Canary make up sensationalist headlines that have no bearing on the ‘story’. Do they think other people are stupid - or just illiterate? " - maybe they think we all suffer from RBID!

[douglas9401]

RBID? Rabid Betting Insistance Disorder?

[royfromaus]

lol ^

[New Judge]

//In case you hadn't noticed, we don't need to go to the pub, but we do need to eat.//

Yes I had noticed. But far more people go shopping than go to the pub. If the aim of "Covid Passports" is to mitigate the spread of the disease, it would make far more sense to allow only those with them to enter shops. If they do limit the spread (which is by no means a given) it would have a far greater benefit. It is completely illogical and brings such measures into disrepute.

[Teapots1]

We were told that (we) would have to learn to "live" with covid, we are not learning by any means, we are being instructed without any better result than before.

[New Judge]

Exactly teapots.

Living with an endemic disease does not involve threatening and imposing widespread restrictions on fundamental freedoms every time the dysfunctional NHS feels under pressure. If it does, then this situation will not end. The NHS has made no efforts in the last 22 months to increase capacity (or if it has those efforts have failed). Its overnight and critical care bed numbers are lower now than they were two years ago. If the country is continually held to ransom as a way of controlling demand on the health service I foresee ructions ahead. The NHS is there to serve the population, not the other way around.

[Untitled]

"Yes I do object to the right to protest and do not see it as any more authoritarian than I would if burglary was legal and I objected to that."

then you don't understand what authoritarianism is.

[New Judge]

Why do you think (which I assume you do) that others should not be allowed to burgle your house, but should be allowed to obstruct you going about your lawful business (which can often be important not only to you but to the wider community)?

[Untitled]

Because burgling a house is an invasion of privacy and extremely distressing... and public protests are an important part of a democratic culture...

authoritarians don't let people protest newjudge... it sounds like you are in favour of freedoms you like and not freedoms you don't... a valueless opinion...

[New Judge]

//Because burgling a house is an invasion of privacy and extremely distressing..//

Equally distressing is being unable to get to a hospital or funeral because some platt has glued himself to the road. So-called demonstrations inconvenience people, sometimes to considerable degrees. If it's authoritarian to prevent that happening, it's equally authoritarian to prevent people burgling houses. That fact is, neither is. Both are imposing standards of behaviour which any sound person would agree are necessary for society to function.

Asking someone to prove their medical status before allowing them into a pub or shop is not necessary. This is especially so when vaccinated people can contract and pass on a virus in the same way as an unvaccinated person can. You can have the situation where a vaccinated but infected person is admitted whilst an unvaccinated but uninfected person is turned away. There is simply no point other than a government demonstrating its authority over its people.

[Deskdiary]

It seems to me there’s quite a few people on AB and in the wider world who actually enjoy restrictions.

If they don’t, they certainly give the impression they do.

[Untitled]

"If it's authoritarian to prevent that happening, it's equally authoritarian to prevent people burgling houses"

except that burgling houses is an act of violence against someone's safety and security... being "considerably inconvenienced" is not the same... protesting is part of a healthy democratic society.

there is a reason that dictatorships ban the right to protest and democracies don't...