How Can We Control The Channel?

[ToraToraTora]

a motley crew of 5th columnists, assorted lefties and remoaners etc are all moaning that we have failed to stop over 28,000 illegals in 2021. So over you you ladies and gentleman what measures should we have been employing?

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, what happens in your plan if the French refuse to take back some or all of the immigrants?

[Bobbisox1]

Sort out ggd language they speak and ascertain from where they’ve come, charter a plane and send them back ….and sort out those that deserve asylum like those that helped our forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan

[Gromit]

// what do you think of the plan at 18:14 //

That isn’t a plan, that is a pie in the sky wish list.
It must be apparent to you by now that France isn’t interested in solving our problems for us - we have to do it ourselves without their cooperation.
This is because France are belligerent, arrogant and anti British, it is because there is nothing in your plan for France. They have just got rid of 28,401 problems, and you expect them to just take them back. Why would they do that ?

[Gromit]

* This isn’t because France are belligerent… *

[anneasquith]

18.49 jourdain. A dreadful situation in Scarborough. Do you have a link ?.

[Gromit]

Bobbisox1
Contrast Priti Patel saying we don’t have room for 20,000 Afghans who helped us, we are full.
With the Priti Patel who has just let in 28,400 illegal immigrants (mostly not from Afghanistan) on her watch.

She should resign but won’t. Boris should sack her, but won’t. Nothing will change, so expect similar this year.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "That isn’t a plan, that is a pie in the sky wish list.
It must be apparent to you by now that France isn’t interested in solving our problems for us " - gawd are you all blind on this site? That's the beauty of it they'll be helping themselves rid Calais of their problem! Gawd can you not see?

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "They have just got rid of 28,401 problems, and you expect them to just take them back. Why would they do that ? " - we are talking aout from when we start the agreement. After a few days France will have no immigrants trying to get to UK, surely that is what they want?

[ToraToraTora]

" it is because there is nothing in your plan for France. T" - there is everything there for us both 100% problem solved surely you can see that.

[THECORBYLOON]

If it's that simple, why have the French not suggested that already?

[douglas9401]

I found this for you, anneasquith, it's quite old now:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/scarborough-grand-hotel-out-control-21769353

[Atheist]

TTT; I thought that a troll was someone who seeks to cause friction and bad-feeling between normal posters for his/her own gratification. You seem to fit that description. Your OP is "a motley crew of 5th columnists, assorted lefties and remoaners etc are all moaning that we have failed to stop over 28,000 illegals in 2021. So over you you ladies and gentleman what measures should we have been employing?"
Do you think perhaps that was rather rude and aggressive and aimed only at provoking ill-feeling for your own fun?
I know you have said you wouldn't engage in any discussion of which I was a part, but perhaps others might be interested in hearing your point of view - I won't pursue this with you directly, as I know you don't want to acknowledge me.

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, contact the British Embassy in Paris immediately and tell them your proposal!

[douglas9401]

A spokeman for la belle France commented that M. Tora had been much too fond of lobbing the Vichy bomb in the past and so would not have his carefully formulated crib from M. Johnson considered.

[ToraToraTora]

doug it was suggested by Boris a few weeks ago, the French are aware but are having a hissy fit because it was on Twitter. If they'd calm down and talk to Boris both our problems could be solved.

[anneasquith]

Thanks Douglas, not quite what I expected. Thanks .

[jourdain2]

Sorry, anneasquith, I don't know how to do links. That wasn't the situation I meant, or if it was, it was very poorly reported.
I was in Scarborough and saw the blue and white tape all over the place and including the car parks and roads immediately surrounding the hotel. They were young men - not children. A neighbour is in the N. Yorks. police and confirmed this. It was played down.

[anneasquith]

Why/who closed it down,? . How do you know that’s the case ?

[jourdain2]

annaa - I don't know any more than I have said. I didn't say anyone closed it down. You have read what was reported. I have said what I saw and gleaned. I can't make stuff up! It was bad enough even with the mildest version.

[ichkeria]

The issue with Patel is not that she has “failed”. Much as I think she’s an appalling individual it is a pretty much unsolvable issue in the short term as the measures proposed or envisaged are with impractical. politically impossible or illegal.
So no HS could succeed. But what she had done is claim that she is capable of sorting it by proposing some measures which are laughable,
The reason people are coming by boat now is because other avenues are not or no longer available. Addressing that is politically unviable.
There is also the myth that most asylum seekers don’t want to remain in France and that is why they cross the channel. This is completely false. France has far more asylum applications than we do. Hardly surprisingly. Being an island we get off lightly.
Also, making it “tougher” once they get here is no solution.
If someone is prepared to pay a lot of money to be carted halfway across the world or to risk a channel crossing in a dinghy then they are hardly going to be off by that.
Knowing they will be “returned” might help, but that’s easy to say.