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Might any members agree with me that the war that Russia is waging against Ukraine has now reached the point where it could be called a "Scorched Earth" policy?
With the inhuman destruction of civilian areas, homes, hospitals, schools and infrastructure it seems to me that Putin has no interest in taking over the country as an invader. He wants Ukraine to be a country that will be unlivable in.
Now by attacking nuclear power stations and Chernobyl he appears to wish, in addition to the above, to make the country a "no go" area for decades to come.
With the inhuman destruction of civilian areas, homes, hospitals, schools and infrastructure it seems to me that Putin has no interest in taking over the country as an invader. He wants Ukraine to be a country that will be unlivable in.
Now by attacking nuclear power stations and Chernobyl he appears to wish, in addition to the above, to make the country a "no go" area for decades to come.
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It is, with more to follow. Didn't we do the same thing to many cities during WW2. Putin seems to have lost it but everyone in authority are chosen as yes men and are all terrified for their own position.
Attacking nuclear power plants close to your own borders seems a bad idea to me but then I care about are own population.
Attacking nuclear power plants close to your own borders seems a bad idea to me but then I care about are own population.
It's not only Ukraine this madman is destroying, it is Russia as well. The rouble & the stock market are collapsing, the oligarchs are turning against him, generals are dying in the field & there are shortages of many things starting to happen.
As Abraham Lincoln said, “You can fool all of the people some of time; you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.”
Eventually, someone will surely step up to the plate.
As Abraham Lincoln said, “You can fool all of the people some of time; you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.”
Eventually, someone will surely step up to the plate.
11 million people in Russia have relatives in Ukraine it says here, & they are not happy;
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well Putin's stated war aims are
1.Neutral Ukraine
2. No NATO
3. no EU
no I am not a marxist apologist. Scorched earth is relative - The Germans in retreat 1943 scorched the Earth back to Berlin and the Cossacks famously were able to live off it ( roots apparently and eating things westerners dont)
It seems to be different here
2014 in Donetsk and Luhansk - Putin said he wd cut off elec and water and see how they did BUT - he was doing it to Russian separatists which I didnt understand
so he is doing it again - fighting a war from 50 y ago - no surprises there then
1.Neutral Ukraine
2. No NATO
3. no EU
no I am not a marxist apologist. Scorched earth is relative - The Germans in retreat 1943 scorched the Earth back to Berlin and the Cossacks famously were able to live off it ( roots apparently and eating things westerners dont)
It seems to be different here
2014 in Donetsk and Luhansk - Putin said he wd cut off elec and water and see how they did BUT - he was doing it to Russian separatists which I didnt understand
so he is doing it again - fighting a war from 50 y ago - no surprises there then
The 10 things the West should do right now that would end Putin's barbaric war;
We, the undersigned, commend the sanctions taken against Russia by the European Union, the United States of America, Canada, Japan and others.
But much more is needed and this is why we urge our governments to go further and adopt the following measures.
1 The international courts must consider, and examine, all possible procedures which allow for action against Putin’s war crimes in Ukraine.
2 Countries providing urgent military aid to Ukraine must ensure that their shipments correspond properly and are most useful for the current tactical situation: light man-held anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons that can be deployed rapidly and effectively; not heavy weapons that will be destroyed before even reaching the battlefield.
3 Bank data and Western intelligence about corrupt possessions of the Russian political and business elite must be massively disclosed to the Russian public.
4 In addition to Russian airlines, all Russian cargo shipping companies should be forbidden, until further notice, from access to European and American ports.
5 European and American companies should freeze, whatever it takes, all commercial activity, in whatever form, in Russia and with Russia.
6 Major social networks should block and ban all the accounts enabling the Russian government, and its affiliates, proxies and lobbyists to spread their propaganda.
7 Microsoft should block all access to its services and systems in Russia;
Western cloud companies should, until further notice, be made inaccessible in Russia.
8 Personal sanctions should be imposed not strictly on Russian politicians and oligarchs; they should extend to senior military leaders and members of the administrative elite who also share responsibility in this devastation, in this carnage.
9 All sorts of foreign money accounts of Russian officials, whatever they are, should be frozen immediately.
10 Imports on Russian oil should, under further notice, be suspended in all of Europe; and Europe should work to diversify without delay, and permanently, its gas supply.
These sanctions, if they are resolutely put in place, can end this war.
If this is not the case, at least they will force the Kremlin to deescalate.
They are practical measures that, from outside Ukraine and for Ukraine, free citizens can demand democratically from their leaders.
BERNARD-HENRI LÉVY
SEAN PENN
SALMAN RUSHDIE
STING
[KHANDRO]
We, the undersigned, commend the sanctions taken against Russia by the European Union, the United States of America, Canada, Japan and others.
But much more is needed and this is why we urge our governments to go further and adopt the following measures.
1 The international courts must consider, and examine, all possible procedures which allow for action against Putin’s war crimes in Ukraine.
2 Countries providing urgent military aid to Ukraine must ensure that their shipments correspond properly and are most useful for the current tactical situation: light man-held anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons that can be deployed rapidly and effectively; not heavy weapons that will be destroyed before even reaching the battlefield.
3 Bank data and Western intelligence about corrupt possessions of the Russian political and business elite must be massively disclosed to the Russian public.
4 In addition to Russian airlines, all Russian cargo shipping companies should be forbidden, until further notice, from access to European and American ports.
5 European and American companies should freeze, whatever it takes, all commercial activity, in whatever form, in Russia and with Russia.
6 Major social networks should block and ban all the accounts enabling the Russian government, and its affiliates, proxies and lobbyists to spread their propaganda.
7 Microsoft should block all access to its services and systems in Russia;
Western cloud companies should, until further notice, be made inaccessible in Russia.
8 Personal sanctions should be imposed not strictly on Russian politicians and oligarchs; they should extend to senior military leaders and members of the administrative elite who also share responsibility in this devastation, in this carnage.
9 All sorts of foreign money accounts of Russian officials, whatever they are, should be frozen immediately.
10 Imports on Russian oil should, under further notice, be suspended in all of Europe; and Europe should work to diversify without delay, and permanently, its gas supply.
These sanctions, if they are resolutely put in place, can end this war.
If this is not the case, at least they will force the Kremlin to deescalate.
They are practical measures that, from outside Ukraine and for Ukraine, free citizens can demand democratically from their leaders.
BERNARD-HENRI LÉVY
SEAN PENN
SALMAN RUSHDIE
STING
[KHANDRO]
On nuclear power stations, while plainly there has been a decree of recklessness about the attacks, people seem to be missing the obvious fact that they want to control Ukraine's power supply.
It isn't "nuclear terror" as such.
We need to know what the enemy is trying to achieve.
Similarly the siege of Mariupol: while taking this city would indeed facilitate a "land corridor" along the south coast in that they would control the main road through it, it's really the port that they are after. There is effectively already a join-up of forces from south and east.
It isn't "nuclear terror" as such.
We need to know what the enemy is trying to achieve.
Similarly the siege of Mariupol: while taking this city would indeed facilitate a "land corridor" along the south coast in that they would control the main road through it, it's really the port that they are after. There is effectively already a join-up of forces from south and east.
Today in Antalya, Dimytro Kuleba, foreign minister of Ukraine, meets his opposite number Sergey Lavrov.
Quite what Russia is going to offer as a peace proposal if any will be intertesting to see.
Plainly there can be no compromise on the Ukrainian side, or indeed on the side of her allies and friends. We must keep up the pressure on the Kremlin until the last Russian soldier has left the territory of Ukraine.
I do see a possibility of compromise on Crimea, but that is a very long way off.
Quite what Russia is going to offer as a peace proposal if any will be intertesting to see.
Plainly there can be no compromise on the Ukrainian side, or indeed on the side of her allies and friends. We must keep up the pressure on the Kremlin until the last Russian soldier has left the territory of Ukraine.
I do see a possibility of compromise on Crimea, but that is a very long way off.
"With the inhuman destruction of civilian areas, homes, hospitals,"
BBC: "Ukraine war: Three dead as maternity hospital hit by Russian air strike"
All strikes on hospitals should be investigated, and condemned.
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BBC: "Ukraine war: Three dead as maternity hospital hit by Russian air strike"
All strikes on hospitals should be investigated, and condemned.
https:/
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