I Don't Even Know Where To Start With This!

[Deskdiary]

The most bizarre banner I think I've ever seen

"Transgender father-of-two, 47, awaiting gender reassignment surgery is sent to male prison after being exposed as predatory paedophile who targeted girls as young as six and took upskirt photo of seven-year-old"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10675553/Transgender-father-two-47-awaiting-gender-reassignment-surgery-jailed-three-years.html

It's quite clear this person is a man. Will the achingly right on AB, like Jim and SP (and the Ab Editor) refer to him, and it's clearly a him, as him, or will they get so wrapped up in ignoring the obvious they'll refer to him as her?

[dannyk13]

At least one MP is standing up for common sense.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10678117/Labour-MP-Rosie-Duffield-backs-campaign-protect-sex-based-rights-local-election.html

[naomi24]

Sajid Javid is quite vocal on the subject too, Danny and has been for quite some time.

[Mozz71]

Judge- //Yet the article gives all the impressions that it is a woman who is involved.//

No it doesn't. The article leads with "A transgender father of two awaiting gender reassignment surgery has been jailed in a male prison for three years after being exposed as a paedophile."

That's pretty clear as to what it is. I can't see how that can lead to any confusion, even among the slowest of minds.

[mushroom25]

when the GMP compile their crime figures for the year, will this be logged as a sex crime committed by a female, or a male?

[Prudie]

Maybe I'm slow but the body of the article refers only to she and her, repeatedly. That to me suggests they are writing about a woman.

[Mozz71]

Well Prudie, that all depends whether you read the opening line properly or just chose to focus on the pronoun used.

[pixie374]

Mozz, the statistics say otherwise. Not sure about this particular one, as he is being sent to a male prison, so I hope it is recorded correctly.
The case of 4 transgender males beating to death a gay man (for being a traitor) is recorded as committed by women- without one in sight. How are we supposed to do anything about violent crimes, if we can't even say who is committing them?


//Judge- //Yet the article gives all the impressions that it is a woman who is involved.//

No it doesn't//

It does if you believe that a "transwoman is a woman". Is this a woman or a man?

[naomi24]

Whoever wrote the article knows this is a man so is at fault for referring to him as 'she'. He is a he.

[Prudie]

I have read the lead headline and it suggests a man. The article itself when not quoting others uses her about 6 times and she about 11. One would have thought it was referring to two different people. I'm not focusing on the pronoun, if you read prose that repeatedly says she and her it's natural to assume you are reading about a woman.

[naomi24]

Paying lip service to the potentially offended has to stop. Men are not women.

[pixie374]

Mozz, I think, is trying to go along with this, out of misguided "kindness", while obviously not believing a word of it.
//That's pretty clear as to what it is.//

But anyone "not transphobic" will automatically accept this is a genuine woman.

[naomi24]

//But anyone "not transphobic" will automatically accept this is a genuine woman. //

You surely don't mean that as a serious statement?

[pixie374]

From their point of view- of course. If a man tells you he is a woman- he automatically is. If you have any doubts, you are "anti-trans".

[calmck]

If someone wants to transition fine it's up to them but in my mind the male should have his surgery and hormone treatment before he can be classified as female and be treated as such re prison and the same applies to a female, all surgery completed. The exterior body resembles the sex they want to be viewed as

[naomi24]

Oh I see, pixie. You mean from their point of view rather than yours. Ok.

[pixie374]

Less than 5% do though, calm. There used to be quite an understanding and support between women and genuine transsexuals... even they seem to be fully unhappy with the "transgender" lobby.

[pixie374]

Sorry, naomi, yes. Just noticing the opposing views in mozz's posts. But- fair enough. The more awareness, the better.

[Mozz71]

//Mozz, I think, is trying to go along with this, out of misguided "kindness", while obviously not believing a word of it.//

Feel free to stop second guessing my intentions any time Pixie.

Kindness towards others is seldom misguided in my opinion Pixie. I'm not a physician or an expert in human behaviour, nor am I likely to every experience any conflict of gender identity so, unlike so many others on AB, I do not consider myself an authority on what is genuine and what is attention seeking. I prefer to treat people as individuals rather that lump them into categories. If someone wishes to be addressed by a different pronoun to their birth one, then I'm okay with respecting that and if anybody else has an issue with that? Well, that's somebody else's problem.

As for this individual in the OP, I couldn't give a damn about their gender identity, because they're scum regardless of it. I also agree that they belong in a male prison, as they are clearly a danger to women and girls. I hope someone removes their genitals long before they go in for surgery.

[New Judge]

//That's pretty clear as to what it is. I can't see how that can lead to any confusion, even among the slowest of minds.//

Really? As Prudie points out, the article uses the pronouns “she” or “her” at least a dozen times when referring to this man. If readers were not confused enough, it says (among other things) “They said she poked her genitals through a letter box when they knocked at her door.” How many women do you know who would be able to do that?

//Well Prudie, that all depends whether you read the opening line properly or just chose to focus on the pronoun used.//

Why should they portray different scenarios. What’s the point in writing an opening about a man and then referring to him as “she”?

If journalists insist on going along with this masquerade of the truth, that is their affair. My concern is for people who do not choose to go along with it being ostracised. The truth is that this person is a man. He may choose to call himself a women and dress as a woman. No harm in that. An obvious danger (in this particular instance but there are plenty of others) comes when dealing with crime. A rape investigation was seriously hampered not so long ago. It was committed by a man pretending to be a woman who was placed in a women’s ward at an NHS hospital. The staff (as instructed by their managers) told police there were no males present on the ward so the rape could not have occurred. This hampered the investigation and almost caused the victim to have a nervous breakdown. When this nonsense throws up situations like that it is clear that it needs to stop. The activities of men pretending to be women have the potential to see some very serious consequences and that’s a very good reason why nobody should assist in perpetuating this distortion of the truth.

[pixie374]

Mozz //I couldn't give a damn about their gender identity, because they're scum regardless of it//

That's exactly what I said. No second-guessing, just reading your posts. I do get that "gender identity" is unlikely to affect most men, except for actual trans-victims, but your idea that kindness to one group, ignores danger to another... is not considering individuals.