Intercepted??

[bobbinwales]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-61293693

So does 'intercepted' mean they helped them get to Dover? That flight to Rwandas (dream on ) is gonna be full

[Gromit]

*there is*

[douglas9401]

Boats in a yard in Dover aren't really my target, Gromit, but the ones still to leave France. Thanks for your input though.

If burning's out then just slash and shred the damned things, try anything but standing around waiting for more invaders.

[New Judge]

//Why not simply buy all inflatables available and set fire to them?

Do it every day for six months and see how we go.//

An excellent idea, Duggie and well worth a shot. I think it would have to be extensive and well organised though (so perhaps not something I would imagine the UK government could undertake successfully). I imagine that rubber boats are quite widely available and stopping all supplies may be a bit tricky. What I really don’t understand is why these people, who are said to pay around £3k a pop for a seat in the boats, don’t simply club together and buy one themselves. Must be a lot cheaper.//

//…just 1,410 people are detained. They are even failing at that.//

But they are failing not because they are Tories, or Labour or simply inept. They are failing because we have a Human Rights Act and are signatories to the ECHR. Both of these seem to have extended basic human rights to the right to arrive in the UK from France (a perfectly safe country) without leave and to remain here, fed and watered by the taxpayer as required. The recent legislation that has been enacted will only be enforceable if its provisions comply with the Human Rights legislation I have mentioned. I cannot see that happening in a month of Sundays since no party will rescind that legislation (although some make overtures about doing so at election time).

//…try anything but standing around waiting for more invaders.//

That, I’m afraid Duggie, is what we are destined to do. There seems to be this continual circle of “problem/[supposed] solution/failure” with this issue. That’s because of two things: the migrants are not physically prevented from landing and once they have they cannot be removed. One, or preferably both of those issues must be addressed and faffing about doing deals with African nations to take half a day’s influx (with concomitant numbers - most with "complex health and welfare problems - sent from Africa to the UK in return) is a complete waste of time and money.

[ToraToraTora]

Gromit: "Theresa May, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid all managed to do the job of Home Secretary properly and there wasn’t large scale illegal immigration like now. " - what did they do then?

[ToraToraTora]

judge: "the migrants are not physically prevented from landing and once they have they cannot be removed." - but we passed a law last week, it is now legal to send them to Rwanda so why do you think that wont happen?

[Gromit]

// why do you think that wont happen? //

It is not a serious suggestion. It is a gimmick. The piddling amount of money assigned to it shows it’s not got legs.

[THECORBYLOON]

Do you not think there will be challenges and injunctions sought for any attempted removals under the new Act?

[New Judge]

//...so why do you think that wont happen?//

I've explained why at length, Tora. It will not happen. It doesn't matter what laws the UK government passes. So long as we have our own Human Rights Act and we remain as signatories to the ECHR, this will not happen. Believe me, I'd love to be proved wrong even it it is only for a hundred or so. The idea that all the migrants were suddenly put off travelling because of its announcement was pie in the sky. As Nigel Farage wrote, there have been strong north-easterly winds in the Channel for a week or more and that is what was preventing the crossings. Now the sea has calmed down they are back on.

I said in a thread a couple of weeks ago when this hare-brained scheme was announced, that we should have a look at its success in a few months. Then we shall see.

[ynnafymmi]

I thought this Brexity thing was going to stop all these illegal crossings.Looks like to me this Brexity thing has accelerated the problem.Well done,Brexiteers.

[THECORBYLOON]

How was leaving the EU meant to stop illegal immigrants?

[ynnafymmi]

Thats what they said at the time.

[Gromit]

TCL

Leaving the EU we were suppose to take back control of our own borders.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-05-26-1464278860-8593750-TURKEYLEAVEPOSTER.jpg

The 76 million Turks who never had any intention of coming here have been deterred and never turned up ;-)

[New Judge]

//Thats what they said at the time.//

Who are "they"? I followed the Brexit debate reasonably closely and I don't recall anybody saying that it was our membership of the EU that was causing illegal migration or that leaving would put a stop to it. Our membership of the EU was enabling legal migration, which is a different thing entirely.

Whoever it was, anybody believing anything that was said by either side during the Brexit debate was foolish. As they would be believing anything that any politician tells them.

[ynnafymmi]

Quite a few videos on the internet of French cops just watching on as the people smugglers load up their boats with the illegals.When asked why they dont do anything to stop it they say"not our problem anymore".In French,of course.

[THECORBYLOON]

Leaving the EU meant not all EU citizens had a right to enter the UK, it didn't mean folk would stop trying to cross the Channel.

[ynnafymmi]

Perhaps its me,but it looks as if Brexit has only exasperated the problem.

[New Judge]

//Quite a few videos on the internet of French cops just watching on as the people smugglers load up their boats with the illegals.When asked why they dont do anything to stop it they say"not our problem anymore"//

But it never was their problem, before or after Brexit. The UK foolishly paid squillions of pounds to France to prevent the crossings but they were never going to make more than a token effort here and there. They put up a few fences around the ports of Calais and Dunkirk, but they were never going to put serious resources into preventing rubber boats being launched. We hear almost every day, alongside the numbers of those "intercepted", the numbers the French prevented leaving. But the latter is always just a small fraction of those who make it and why should the French police worry? Once they've left they can no longer cause any problems in the coastal towns of France.

[New Judge]

//...but it looks as if Brexit has only exasperated the problem.//

Please explain how. Our membership of the EU did not make these crossings any more difficult than they are now we have left.

[THECORBYLOON]

Can you point out the connexion between leaving the EU and the number of folk crossing the channel in dinghies because it's not obvious to me?

[ynnafymmi]

Pre-Brexit a few hundred every year,after Brexit thousands upon thousands every year.Now i am no social scientist,but....