Bad Night For Labour........

[ToraToraTora]

Against what is supposed to be the worst Government in history, mid term, post crises, Labour's gains outside London are described as, "Modest". OK they won a bauble but that won't get you through the door. If yesterday were repeated in a GE Labour still would not win.
https://news.sky.com/story/local-elections-2022-labour-victorious-in-wandsworth-as-tories-lose-control-of-flagship-council-12606383
If anyone is resigning It'll be Rodders.

[10ClarionSt]

Labour will not win the next GE. That is obvious, because they need Scotland, and that aint gonna happen. I do think they will recover a lot of seats, which will lead to a hung parliament.

[youngmafbog]

Yes, and if Sir Kier goes and is replaced by a fresh faced Blair type? The Tories will be toast.

Too much complacency going on. Nope, the current opposition are a complete shower, but if the Tories are only slightly better you could and up with voter apathy and a labour coalition could get in. Do you want that?

Its not beyond the realms of possibility for labour to get in with an alliance of the SNP for promising a vote on Independance.

[ToraToraTora]

As I said in your post YMB Labour needs more than just finding a charismatic leader,

[youngmafbog]

As we saw with Blair though. It can come from nowhere.

Personally I would prefer we didnt take the chance.

[ToraToraTora]

YMB: "Its not beyond the realms of possibility for labour to get in with an alliance of the SNP for promising a vote on Independance. " - I agree with you there, they need Scotland and a deal with the SNP would give them a chance but if Scotland have a referendum on "independence" and leave they are back to square one.

[youngmafbog]

They would be, but for a shot at power ....

[Paul22118]

Historically a mid term government will usually not do well in local elections. Voters are aware that what they need in their street is not the same as what is required on the National stage. Watching a buoyant Ed Davey on tv this morning claiming that the Libs were on way to Westminster simply reminded me of David Steel's unwise statement of 'return to your constituencies and prepare for government' - of course you should.
Labour must change their face of Starmer, Rayner et al if they are to stand a hope in Hell of reaching the prize. Ed Davey will be back on the bottom step again with his daft policies. Boris will survive to lead a successful government again I suspect.

[ToraToraTora]

paul: "Watching a buoyant Ed Davey on tv this morning claiming that the Libs were on way to Westminster simply reminded me of David Steel's unwise statement of 'return to your constituencies and prepare for government' " - yes what a wally, the party that has the word "Democrat" in its title that is anything but! They shot their bolt when Cleggy sold the cow for a handful of magic beans! I do remember the Steel Quote! Hilarious, when ever a part leader tries to take the public for granted they get a rude awakening! Remember Kinnochio 1992! Hilarious!

[youngmafbog]

Thats exactly why I am wary of the Tories being complacent TTT.

[Gromit]

Current position Labour +87, Conservatives -131.

You seem to be over estimating the country’s dislike of the current Tory party. How many councils did you think they would lose.

[youngmafbog]

The problem with local elections is that although some will vote along party lines many will vote for local issues.

I really dont think we can take a huge amount from them apart from a general indication of dissatisfaction. And thats the problem, Tory Ministers dont or wont get it.

[Ken4155]

Mid-term elections usually serve as a kick in the pants for the ruling party. It is whether or not they heed the blow that decides the outcome of the following GE.

[DonkeyHoaty]

Very confused at the title of this thread.
If last night was supposedly bad for Labour, what exactly does it constitute for the Conservatives?
I am genuinely puzzled.
Explanations welcomed.

[Gromit]

DH,
The Conservatives were widely tipped to have a bad day yesterday, and they did. Because the spoils were shared between the opposition parties, and Labour didn’t annihilate the Tories, then they had a bad day.
If you deliberately set expectations too high, then of course the result will always disappoint.

[ToraToraTora]

DH, for a party aspiring to government labour did very poorly against a battered incumbent. They did ok in London but they are, inexplicably, always pretty strong there. In the wider country they were very under par. Boris will be quietly content that he didn't get more of a beating. If there were a GE tomorrow Labour would still not get a majority.

[DonkeyHoaty]

Ah right.
I’ll wait for all the results to actually come in then before jumping the gun, they’ve only just started the counting in many of them.
Chickens and hatched and all that.

[Gromit]

Westminster has been tory for 58 years, Wandsworth for 43 years. Fickleness was not the reason they didn’t vote Tory this time.
I agree that Labour has a big problem elsewhere. In the North where I live, we are very distrustful of the London centric leadership. They are out of touch with the Labour heartlands, which is precisely why the red wall fell in 2019. Did Labour learn from that? I am not sure they have. Winning 3 London boroughs confirms to many that they are still a London party with little to offer the rest of the country other than a change.

[Peter Pedant]

If last night was bad for Labour, what does it constitute for the Conservatives? I am genuinely puzzled.
Explanations welcomed.
certainly
if it bad for X then it must be good for Y
fallacy
Wht was bad for tories and bad for labour - war 3 sep 1939 springs to mind - devalutation 1967 - loss of Sheffield Falkland (*) 1982

unconfuse yourself

(*) dunno why that is in the news - catastrophic loss
Remember the senior army leader who said: in a good going cock up never underestimate the role of sheer incompetence

[exocet struck whilst S was saying good morning to London]

[DonkeyHoaty]

If the last post on this thread was meant as an explanation I’m afraid it failed dismally and I am none the wiser.
I am not sure that devalutation is even a word but thanks for the attempt.

[Khandro]

^^ Once in a while curiosity leads me to look at this astonishing anachronistic journal :
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/, I think it is the source of information for the more deranged members of AB.
After which a lie down is called for.