Nhs Funding

[Paigntonian]

How many more billions do we have to give the NHS so that they stop whinging about a lack of resources?

[ToraToraTora]

there is no limit, it needs efficiency improvements not money.

[Paigntonian]

Tora: Agree.

[brian j john]

The NHS is totally mismanaged

[david small]

Too top heavy managerial wise. It pays exorbitant prices for some basic medicine. Paracetamol for example.

[bobbinwales]

//It pays exorbitant prices for some basic medicine. Paracetamol for example.//
Thats sometimes claimed but is there any evidence of that?
And in the scheme of things does it make much difference out of £150 billion or whatever pa.
We would probly have to double it to £300 billion before it would feel enough

[bednobs]

the nhs barely prescribes paracetamol tablets - only in very specific circumstances. I just looed on the BNF and 100 tablets are about £1.90 to the NHS.
Other preparations are more (iv for example) because they are more expensive to prepare in bulk

[granny grump]

Does anyone remember a programme quite a while back when a businessman walked around a hospital and pointed out so much that was wrong to do with efficiency improvements and he found out such a lot. No-one took any notice of course

[youngmafbog]

The NHS is broken, it needs drastic reform but no one is willing to do it.

No amount of money would solve it, everytime more money is given a fair bit just ends up in management/admin not where it is needed.

Until it collapses under the weight of useless and greedy management noting will be considered, and then it will be too late.

[youngmafbog]

//he nhs barely prescribes paracetamol tablets -//

AB at its finest again. It's not just the 'paracetamol' though is it. There are many, many things that do add up.

[William51]

Underfunding and understaffed and long waiting lists, the NHS has reached a crisis in its history and maybe a debate needs to be had about what a reliable and fit for purpose service looks like for the future. For a start how about devolution with the regions having total control of management and budgets to be able to deliver their own good service?.

[tonyav]

Usual Story, more chiefs than Indians. Time to get rid of the ( much to many ) chiefs.

[Smowball]

This week I have had to go to 4 different hospitals, 4 different appointments, 4 completely different places………. Ridiculous!

[bobbinwales]

//Does anyone remember a programme quite a while back when a businessman walked around a hospital and pointed out so much that was wrong to do with efficiency improvements and he found out such a lot.//
Yes... maybe the NHS needs some management/business consultants like say KPMG to do a detailed review and come up with efficiency improvements and reorganisation/transfamation. Has that ever been tried?

[bobbinwales]

//This week I have had to go to 4 different hospitals, 4 different appointments, 4 completely different places………. Ridiculous!//
Yes does happen although 4 sounds alot ... but maybe thats because there trying to get you the first available appt for whatevers needed rather than waiting until slots are available at your local hospital

[bobbinwales]

There are some admin things that just cause me to scratch my head. For exampleL
1) for a recent appointment I was sent a big several pages form to fill in with all sorts of health details, lifestyle, medications, past ops and I were told to bring with me to the appointment. but when i got there I wasnt asked for so i offered it and they said we dont need it.
2) I got notified of an appointment by phone for a procedure (maybe theyd had a cancellation). The procedure was a few day's later and went well. But about 5 days AFTER the procedure I recieved a big information pack in the post confirming my appointment and various booklets about the procedure, what to expect, forms to fill in ect

[Old_Geezer]

That would imply they have insufficient resources locally. All hospitals should have some reserve capacity; 100% efficiency is not a practical goal.

[sandyRoe]

Would the American model work better?
If you can pay you get the best treatment that money can buy. If not you join the back if an ever increasing queue.

[Old_Geezer]

I think that you, more or less, answered your own question, Sandy. Civilised health care is for all, not just the wealthy.

[Untitled]

Nhs is infested with profiteering third parties who’ve given a wedge to the tories to keep it that way… it isn’t necessarily about money but legalised corruption siphoning away public investment.

[Canary42]

No good pouring money in while there's a Tory Government - it just goes on ineffective profiteering from their Rich Cronies (remember PPI).