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[ToraToraTora]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hospital-nhs-men-pregnant-walton-trust-b2046241.html
If a radiographer asked me if I was up the duff I'd question his qualifications...and his eyesight. The world's gone completely radio!

[JimF]

I don't often find myself in 100% agreement with the OP, but I do in this! What a load of butter ollocks!

[FatticusInch]

Yet people make a big deal of the Mordaunt trans thing?
As I said on another thread it’s just more snowflakery in order that people ‘cover all the bases’ when in reality it just makes folk rail against the ‘what is a man and can a woman have a penis’ bollards.
Tell it how you see it…..and this is bovine excrement.

[tomus42]

If you're a man, just say you don't know, but you haven't had a period this month.

See where they go with that.

[douglas9401]

Good that time, money, resources and training isn't being wasted on sideshows in these belt-tightening times.

[1ozzy]

If everyone tightened their belts nobody would need to ask if they're pregnant.

[youngmafbog]

If I tightened my belt it would all squish either side.

The NHS has lost the plot and needs drastic reform from top down.

But what Government will have the balls to do it?

[1ozzy]

Too many pies?

[Bazile]

^^^

You are naughty .
I wonder how many here ,see where you're coming from

[naomi24]

I mentioned this the other day. I guess when they ask the question and find men telling them to do the other thing they'll complain they're being abused.

[New Judge]

The problem is, the NHS is an organisation which, because of instructions to its staff to tell lies (and their complicity in doing so), caused a severe obstruction to police enquiries into a very serious criminal offence (rape). When considered beside that, asking a 65 year old man whether he is pregnant is small beer.

[Huderon]

Not really mad at all. The hospital has a list of questions to be asked before someone has a scan, which includes one about pregnancy. So one of the hospital staff went through the list on autopilot and asked a man that question. Not really a big deal, though if the scan had been for a woman transitioning to man, who might have actually been pregnant, very relevant.

[maggiebee]

Before an x-ray I was asked if I was pregnant. At 75 think it would be a bl***y miracle!

[naomi24]

Huderon, //So one of the hospital staff went through the list on autopilot and asked a man that question. //

No.. they're asking ALL patients under the age of 60.

[New Judge]

Since the treatment of many diseases and conditions is dependent upon biological sex, that is the first question that needs to be asked of the patient (if it is not already available from records). Then nonsensical questions such as this will be unnecessary.

[Huderon]

Yes, naomi, I was aware of that. However someone mentioned it to someone in the Independent (or perhaps it was a really slow news day).

All it takes for a silly report like that to make the papers is one person getting on their high horse over something which can easily be treated lightly as I did when asked the same kink of question myself.

Still, it gives people a chance to reiterate their views on biological sex and gender, so perhaps it's not a complete waste of time.

[New Judge]

//...over something which can easily be treated lightly//

It's not something to be treated lightly. If medics do not know whether they are treating a man or a woman they should determine the answer to that question before they embark on anything else. If people treat it lightly the nonsense will perpetuate instead of it being firmly put down at the outset.

[naomi24]

But it shouldn't be treated lightly, Huderon. We all know it's preposterous but unfortunately it's that mentality that leads to incidents such as the one NJ highlighted, where a woman was raped by a trans person on a ward and staff insisted that she couldn't have been because there were no men on the ward. That was a lie. There was a man on the ward.

[Huderon]

New Judge and naoim, I was addressing the point raised on the OP and trying not to get tangled up in the birth sex/gender stuff.

If asked whether I am male or female in a hospital, I would either give a straight answer of come up with a silly, but correct response along the lines of "I'm pretty sure the dangly bits mean I'm male" rather than get upset at being asked something to which the answer is obvious. That's not really rocket science.

With regard to New Judge's point about different treatemnt regimes for men and women with the same condition, I will just point out that ther are people who were born male and are now legally female and people who were born female and are now legally male. If it means that staff at hospitals need to ask seemingly stupid questions in order to determine the correst treatment regime for someone who may have switched gender, so be it. Sure, some of the questions may sound daft, but the answers are important for both the medical staff and the patients.

Finally, as for the case New Judge seems to wheel out every time the biological sex/gender issue is raised - it should never have happened, but it did. "Never happen" events occur every day in hospitals, which is one reason forms and checks get longer all the time. I can only hope that the hospital where that happened has learnt a lesson and is far more careful in the future, and that other hospitals do so as well.

[naomi24]

Huderon, it happened because lies are being perpetuated … lies that we are all not only expected to ignore but to condone by perpetuating them ourselves.

[New Judge]

//If asked whether I am male or female in a hospital,…//

That was not the question under discussion here. It was “are you pregnant?” If the biological sex of the patient was established, that question would not be necessary for men. It would also address this:

//If it means that staff at hospitals need to ask seemingly stupid questions in order to determine the correst treatment regime for someone who may have switched gender, so be it.//

Biological males (i.e. men) cannot be pregnant (or indeed suffer from or experience many other conditions which are exclusive to women) . It doesn’t matter how they present themselves, what they call themselves or what they pretend to be.

//…it should never have happened, but it did.//

This has nothing to do with the odd mistake. It happened because it is NHS policy.

As far as this goes, all that medics need to be sure of when treating a patient is whether they are biologically male or female. But for some reason the NHS seems reluctant to make that blindingly obvious and instruct its staff to ask if necessary.