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Republican Protestors Being Arrested
in edinburgh a woman holding an 'eff imperialism abolish the monarchy' sign has been arrested outside st giles cathedral...
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in london a woman outside buckingham palace holding a 'not my king' sign is led away by the police...
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in oxford a 45 year old man was arrested for shouting 'who elected him?' at an event for the new king's proclamation...
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is this really right? Should everyone be forced to respect the monarchy or shut up if they object to it?
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in london a woman outside buckingham palace holding a 'not my king' sign is led away by the police...
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in oxford a 45 year old man was arrested for shouting 'who elected him?' at an event for the new king's proclamation...
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is this really right? Should everyone be forced to respect the monarchy or shut up if they object to it?
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They are often removed for their own safety, at times like this.
15:20 Mon 12th Sep 2022
“ You seem terribly well informed about 'protests' against the Queen and/or the monarchy which is a little disconcerting.”
why does that disconcert you?
I saw news about the woman in edinburgh and did some googling to see if there were any others… i was not aware of the chip shop lady until someone else mentioned it
why does that disconcert you?
I saw news about the woman in edinburgh and did some googling to see if there were any others… i was not aware of the chip shop lady until someone else mentioned it
in oxford a 45 year old man was arrested for shouting 'who elected him?' at an event for the new king's proclamation...
on R4 - yo just happened to be there and decided to shout....
protester for it is he: yes indeedy
R4 - but youdo this full time innit - gay right, abortion, you name it
P. Rotester: yes that as well but today it was purely spur of the moment...
so it seemed to be - - I can disrupt and complain when I get thrown around....
on R4 - yo just happened to be there and decided to shout....
protester for it is he: yes indeedy
R4 - but youdo this full time innit - gay right, abortion, you name it
P. Rotester: yes that as well but today it was purely spur of the moment...
so it seemed to be - - I can disrupt and complain when I get thrown around....
“ What if it was your mother?”
when my mother eventually dies then the world will go on about us as if nothing has happened… protests will still go on (if they are allowed at all by then….) no broadcasts will be postponed and nobody who doesn’t know her will be expected to mourn her… her face will not turn up on any telescreens and the transport of her body will not be the subject of 24 hour rolling news
and if my mother dies comfortably at home at an extremely advanced age with no pain or suffering or mental deterioration with me and my siblings near to her then i will be very grateful that she lived a good life and died happy and loved.
if i was fortunate enough to be born into a royal dynasty and have power privilege and prestige handed down to me for no other reason than the blood which happened to run through my veins… i doubt it would even occur to me to have anyone arrested for protesting about my title. I would probably think of them in the same way i sometimes think about insects if I thought about them at all.
when my mother eventually dies then the world will go on about us as if nothing has happened… protests will still go on (if they are allowed at all by then….) no broadcasts will be postponed and nobody who doesn’t know her will be expected to mourn her… her face will not turn up on any telescreens and the transport of her body will not be the subject of 24 hour rolling news
and if my mother dies comfortably at home at an extremely advanced age with no pain or suffering or mental deterioration with me and my siblings near to her then i will be very grateful that she lived a good life and died happy and loved.
if i was fortunate enough to be born into a royal dynasty and have power privilege and prestige handed down to me for no other reason than the blood which happened to run through my veins… i doubt it would even occur to me to have anyone arrested for protesting about my title. I would probably think of them in the same way i sometimes think about insects if I thought about them at all.
another man arrested for heckling prince andrew
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fiveleaves - // Unpopular opinion perhaps, but there really no such thing as complete freedom of speech, because a functioning society has to have some base level of acceptable values and behaviour //
Indeed, and one of the base levels is, as the quote has it, that it does not give anyone the right falsely to shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre.
Protest is an enshrined right, but it should be tempered with its time, place, and delivery.
If you want to have a scintilla of hope that your protest will be listened to, acknowledged as your right, and possibly heeded by changing of minds, then it is important to consider those points in advance.
Clearly shouting anti-monarchist sentiments in a crowd of several thousand people paying respects to a recently deceased monarch, is not going to be met well, rather defeating the point of the protest.
Unless the protestor is intent on simply upsetting a large number of people simultaneously, while also gratifying a pathetic need for attention and self-aggrandisement, in which case it succeeds admirably.
Indeed, and one of the base levels is, as the quote has it, that it does not give anyone the right falsely to shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre.
Protest is an enshrined right, but it should be tempered with its time, place, and delivery.
If you want to have a scintilla of hope that your protest will be listened to, acknowledged as your right, and possibly heeded by changing of minds, then it is important to consider those points in advance.
Clearly shouting anti-monarchist sentiments in a crowd of several thousand people paying respects to a recently deceased monarch, is not going to be met well, rather defeating the point of the protest.
Unless the protestor is intent on simply upsetting a large number of people simultaneously, while also gratifying a pathetic need for attention and self-aggrandisement, in which case it succeeds admirably.
//These moronic yobs //
Although I disagree with what they are doing classing them as "These moronic yobs" because they have a different view to you is well OTT.
The big proble with them being arrested is they will sit on the Police system as a NFA which will show up on any search. This cannot be right.
Then met Police seem to agree too: https:/
Although I disagree with what they are doing classing them as "These moronic yobs" because they have a different view to you is well OTT.
The big proble with them being arrested is they will sit on the Police system as a NFA which will show up on any search. This cannot be right.
Then met Police seem to agree too: https:/
data : yeah foo NFA
but it did happen - so the event cd be recorded.
what one needs to do is dictate what happens to all the data collected and its use and or dissemination
I expect a malicious complaint about photographing to be in the PNC about me but NOT the complainer was in debt to me and I had a CCJ. Deemed not relevant but almost causative to me. - er I didnt do it - honest. And the CCJ wasnt in her knickers either - god some on AB have dirty minds
but it did happen - so the event cd be recorded.
what one needs to do is dictate what happens to all the data collected and its use and or dissemination
I expect a malicious complaint about photographing to be in the PNC about me but NOT the complainer was in debt to me and I had a CCJ. Deemed not relevant but almost causative to me. - er I didnt do it - honest. And the CCJ wasnt in her knickers either - god some on AB have dirty minds
Protest is an enshrined right,
yeah but no but
( even free speech in America has limitations - the do have a law of libel but it doesnt do much good by all accounts)
You cant protest outside Parliament (1)
and they changed that to - - you cant protest outside parliament (2)
the guy in the tent who was er protesting - um outside parliament
was clearly allowed to under (1) and rule (2) didnt change things so he is stil there....
You cant demo outside a polling station
so I think "Andrew you are a weirdo!" may not count as a protest but more said with intention to vex and annoy
yeah but no but
( even free speech in America has limitations - the do have a law of libel but it doesnt do much good by all accounts)
You cant protest outside Parliament (1)
and they changed that to - - you cant protest outside parliament (2)
the guy in the tent who was er protesting - um outside parliament
was clearly allowed to under (1) and rule (2) didnt change things so he is stil there....
You cant demo outside a polling station
so I think "Andrew you are a weirdo!" may not count as a protest but more said with intention to vex and annoy
the "fire in a crowded theatre" example is meant to point out examples where unlimited speech is a danger to others... i.e. deliberately causing a panic but i would also argue for language that dehumanises people or incites violence...
it is not meant to include speech that is distasteful or indeed "disrespectful"... in what way were these protestors harmful?
it is not meant to include speech that is distasteful or indeed "disrespectful"... in what way were these protestors harmful?
yes, but how far should the pollce be required to protect sensitivities? I have no problems with genuine hate speech being actionable, but for someone to be told he'll be arrested if he writes "not my king" on a piece of paper seems like an absurd overreaction, on a par with arresting people for stopping for coffee during lockdown.
no no - PP puts hand over face and takes on a wonky look
Andy that is a weirdo, is not OUR andie - he is a wonder to us all.
It is that awful philandering child of our late dear queen
I was suggesting sewing up his sleeves to control his wandering hands, but sew up his zip might be more - - direct
sozza all
Andy that is a weirdo, is not OUR andie - he is a wonder to us all.
It is that awful philandering child of our late dear queen
I was suggesting sewing up his sleeves to control his wandering hands, but sew up his zip might be more - - direct
sozza all
A person causing a public disturbance may be arrested for, and/or charged with, causing harassment, alarm or distress contrary to the Public Order Act 1986.
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4A Intentional harassment, alarm or distress.
(1)A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he—
(a)uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
(b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.
(2)An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation is displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and the person who is harassed, alarmed or distressed is also inside that or another dwelling.
(3)It is a defence for the accused to prove—
(a)that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling, or
(b)that his conduct was reasonable.
(4)F4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
(5)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both.]
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4A Intentional harassment, alarm or distress.
(1)A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he—
(a)uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
(b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.
(2)An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation is displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and the person who is harassed, alarmed or distressed is also inside that or another dwelling.
(3)It is a defence for the accused to prove—
(a)that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the writing, sign or other visible representation displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling, or
(b)that his conduct was reasonable.
(4)F4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
(5)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both.]
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