What’s Your Thoughts On The Nurses Voting For Strike Action?

[Bobbisox1]

https://news.sky.com/story/nurses-set-to-strike-in-first-ever-national-action-as-patients-braced-for-disruption-12739713

Mine are,No they should not be striking , they enter the profession as a vocation knowing the wage scale, they do a marvellous job but I’m against all strikes as they don’t achieve anything, talking and negotiating is the only way forward and our country is in a financial mess anyway so handily out large pay increases will only make it worse

[Old_Geezer]

I've not really looked at the situation so I'm loath to come down either pro or anti. But this BBC diagram is interesting.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10561/production/_127531966_nurse.png.webp

It seems to show a starting salary of about £27k, which seems good for actual nursing. But it also shows the state of things when one can find 4 grades of nursing. To be like that suggests some grades are probably not actually nursing but must be doing a chuck of doctoring or paramedicing too. Exactly how much consultancy is needed for actual nursing ?

It looks to me like the system needs a major reorg, or a return to a past, more sensible hierarchy.

[THECORBYLOON]

PP, employers need not pay SSP, they can have their own company sick pay scheme as long as it pays the same rate as SSP.

[davebro]

Table in this report show circa £30k as the starting point

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63403850

[Peter Pedant]

Sick on the NHS - so long as it is pukka ( mine was cancer and post op) - six months on full pay, six months on half, and then nil ("that's when they come back!" said the Cruel Matron).
BUT
they do make mistakes - I was a week short - valuable for debt paying etc, and got the answer Oh! we assumed you self certified for a week!
When I cd show coz I was there that I was there for all days xc Fri, They topped up four days !

Sixkness rate for NS is 12.5% - all causes - covid, criminal lunacy etc rabies

[THECORBYLOON]

That should have been, "...as long as it pays at least the same rate as SSP."

[Old_Geezer]

The green dot shows < £30k for some areas.

[Peter Pedant]

as long as it pays the same rate as SSP.
yes you are quite right...
but she didnt get the moolah, and I can only think it was a contract of service ( lump in the builders' trade)
and my fren in the Tax Office ( Madge ) says they are cracking down on that. WMC cementation case springs to mind

and I was racking my brains if I went to the PO wivva coupon for SSP and thought no ( full pay for 6 months)

[Peter Pedant]

yeah - no CBL I took it as that

Nurses strike? well the junior doctors did it 1976 - the first hospital to come out was my old stamping ground Devonport ( now houses).
And there were extensive changes -

The bedpans will still come but OPs close etc

[davebro]

What IS happening with the NHS? - I had an appointment with dermatology at our local hospital this morning. The (extensive) parking areas there were crammed full - not a single free space & numerous cars circling like vultures. I was about to miss my appt so I drove out, parked off-site & walked in. Are we simply trying to do too much (more than we can cope with or afford) in terms of health care?

[youngmafbog]

If I am ill I dont get paid, same as millions of others who dont depend on the State - just pay for it.

If nurses want to strike then so be it. Lets collapse the NHS and start again, then can reapply for jobs if they want or go work at Maccy D's if they prefer.

[youngmafbog]

Yes davebro.

The NHS is on its last legs IMHO.

Too many people for the infrastructure, over heavy admin/management and too many ops that shouldn't be paid for on the NHS.

[davebro]

Damn right!

[Zacs-Master]

I don’t agree with any strike action and certainly not for people who earn around the National average.

[ladybirder]

Davebro, depends on which area you live. For me, when I needed it I got first class treatment and quickly. Couldn't fault it.

[jackthehat]

Will we now be encouraged to stand on our doorsteps on a Thursday evening and boo/blow raspberries.....?

[bednobs]

"If I am ill I dont get paid"
if you are self employed, don't you add a bit to your rate to cover contingencies?

[dave50]

Where do all these public sector workers who are wanting double digit pay rises think all the money is going to come from?

[youngmafbog]

//if you are self employed, don't you add a bit to your rate to cover contingencies?//

Still not being paid though as claimed above is it.

And yes, no problems for me I earn enough, many cant though.

[chelle7272]

Yes they know the scale when they enter the profession but they didn't know that they would have a pay freeze for years effectuvely giving them a pay cut while workloads increase. Not all households have 2 incomes either. An income figure means nothing when you do t onow someones circumstances. My nurse friend just had a £200 per month rent increase and rents ate already sky high here. She is a single income household with a child. I will support her strike action having seen what she has been through in her job in revent years.

[jourdain2]

Very, very disappointed in them. When I began teaching the pay was respectable, but slid, relatively, over the years. I understand, none better, that it is infuriating and very upsetting to see your pay dwindle to the equivalent of a job that didn't demand all the training, or include all the hours of home-working (marking etc.) But I was a professional - I did not strike because the pupils came first. I sympathised so much with the strike over the introduction of the Nat. Curriculum, because it forced pupils into boxes, and never, ever taught a class where the teacher was on strike.
Most nurses I've met are caring and professional, but to strike means leaving people in dire and urgent need to suffer. Possibly cancer patients will die because of cancelled clinics. It's unconscionable and they will lose respect and sympathy.