Is The Uk Heading Towards A Partial Return To The E/U.

[gulliver1]

Senior members of Sunak's Govt are reportedly planning to move Britain into a Swiss Style agreement with The E.U. Govt sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade means moving towards an agreement. .... Is this the start of rejoining the E.U..

[gulliver1]

TTT @ 17,28 You mention unelected Bureaucrats.
Are you referring to all the Conservative PMs and Chancellors that were appointed, but not elected by the British Voting public this year.I see you are talking your usual load of Cobras again.

[DTCwordfan]

I believe that the UK doubling up with Switzerland and perhaps even Norway could really develop more what we want - i.e. the trade but not too much of the bureaucracy and challenge to our independence - more weight in creating oue own fringe alliance. It could be interesting to see how the Baltics also respond to this as well as Denmark and Ireland - and next wave, Portugal and The Neths.

[ToraToraTora]

gness: "Tora. I have asked you this before. Why does being a remainer make me anti British and a 5C whatever that is but I guess it's insulting? " - It's pretty obvious but I'll spell it out again. You and those like you want our country to be run by unelected foreign bureaucrats and are happy to collaborate with the afore mentioned UFBs to sell out your own nation. That is text book 5th Column, hence 5C. Perhaps you can answer a question for me...Whatever you think of our own elected politicians why do you favour UFBs to run our country over them?

[Hymie]

I think it was David Davis who said in parliament that ‘there would be no downsides to Brexit, only considerable upsides’ – now we are being told any upsides will not be evident for 25 years (I’ll be dead by then); no doubt in 25 years time the Breixteers will be telling us we must wait 50 years.

[ToraToraTora]

gness part 2: "I would love to see Britain thriving and doing well. It saddens me it's in the state it is for whatever reason.
Your constant insults will negate any informed or interesting contribution you could put forward. " - Then you are unusual, you only have to look at this site to see sour grape chomping remoaners rubbishing the country, ignoring the multiple crises and blaming everything on brexit. some of them trawl the news every day and post idiotic statements blaming everything on brexit. You talk about constant insults, I only comment on what i see. I get constantly insulted dozens of times a day.

[New Judge]

//Are you referring to all the Conservative PMs and Chancellors that were appointed, but not elected by the British Voting public//

As you well know, gully, the UK electorate has never elected Prime Ministers, Chancellors or any other Minister of State, be they Conservatives, Labour or Monster Raving Loonies. The Prime Minister is the person whom the Monarch invites to form a government and, having accepted that invitation, he or she appoints the rest.

[DTCwordfan]

We need 'major country/blocs' for economic success. Much as many Brexiteers, maybe that should be a small percentage, believe, the concept of the UK behaving as 'Little Britain' or 'Ex Empire or Commonwealth Boss' has been blown out of the water.

As to the 'major country/blocs', China is politically and economically iffy, Russia screwed, maybe some hope with India/FE/Japan - forget Oz/NZ/Pac/Oceania and God help us as to the Americans what with their divisive election coming up. And Canada, the foam on a bad economic Molsons. so we need some sort of deal with the EU...trade focused and practical.....a two speed Europe perhaps with the likes of the UK/Norway/Switzerland and maybe a few others like Ireland/Portugal/and the Baltics - plus an Eastern European and/or a Med island exerting their political independence - maybe even Greece too, never mind Denmark and the Neths, putting a realistic 'noose' on Bruxelles.

[New Judge]

// so we need some sort of deal with the EU...trade focused and practical.....a two speed Europe perhaps with the likes of the UK/Norway/Switzerland and maybe a few others like Ireland/Portugal/and the Baltics - plus an Eastern European and/or a Med island exerting their political independence - maybe even Greece too,//

Not a chance of that happening. The EU would not permit its members to form any such alliance and those you mention which who not members (but who fall heavily withing the EU's sphere of influence) would be leaned on so heavily that they will "decline" to join.

[Old_Geezer]

It would make no sense. There are already political & military agreements that the next decent government will need to shred if seems. Why would our present parliament just add to the task even further ?

[Atheist]

"Winston S. Churchill > Quotes > Quotable Quote

 
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Winston S. Churchill
“In War: Resolution,
In Defeat: Defiance,
In Victory: Magnanimity
In Peace: Good Will.”

― Winston S. Churchill, The Second World War "

Some here think that 3 is not needed, and that 2 is not allowed.

[gulliver1]

Where are these "Sunny Uplands that the Straw headed blonde idiot "Worzel Gummidge" promised the UK .

[Hymie]

Whenever I point out that The Bank of England, the Office for Budget Responsibility, the Office for National Statistics, and the OECD all publish data showing what an absolute disaster Brexit is for the UK, TTT rubbishes them as 5C organisations.

[gness]

In spite of knowing there is corruption in the European Commission I believe that being a member such a powerful trading bloc more than compensates for this.
Ireland has experienced some interference in its financial affairs, but the aggravation that this caused is a fleabite when set against the huge benefits that being a member has brought to Ireland.
Our leaders have always been skilled at getting the best possible deal by negotiation with the EU, membership of the EU has helped Ireland to prosper.
I find it hard to believe that over the last five years even the most corrupt UFBs could have made more of a mess of the UK economy than the succession of incompetent governments that have been elected.

As for being insulted. Be better, TTT.

[gness]

And you could be a bit more grown up with your comments, Gulliver.

[mdripon8738]

The EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement covers the following areas: trade in goods and in services, digital trade, intellectual property, public procurement, aviation and road transport, energy, fisheries, social security coordination, law enforcement and judicial cooperation in criminal matters, thematic cooperation and participation in Union programmes. It is underpinned by provisions ensuring a level playing field and respect for fundamental rights.

The Agreement will confer rights and obligations on both the EU and the UK, in full respect of their sovereignty and regulatory autonomy. It will be governed by an institutional framework on the operation and enforcement of the Agreement, as well as binding dispute settlement and enforcement mechanisms.

The EU-UK Agreement respects the principles set by the European Council in April 2017, including the need to protect the integrity of the Single Market, the indivisibility of its four freedoms, and the integrity of the EU's legal order, while ensuring that a non-member does not enjoy the same benefits as what EU membership offers.

On 1 January 2021, the United Kingdom will lose all the rights and obligations it had as an EU Member State and during the transition period under the Withdrawal Agreement. It will no longer benefit from seamless access to the EU Single Market and Customs Union, or from EU policies and international agreements (including its free trade agreements with other third countries).

This will create new barriers to trade in goods and services, and to cross-border mobility and exchanges that do not exist today – in both directions. While the new agreement will serve to limit disruptions compared to a situation without an agreement being in place, public administrations, businesses, citizens and stakeholders on both sides will inevitably be affected. The Commission has issued extensive guidance on how best to deal with these changes

[ToraToraTora]

19:20, gness, it was good for Ireland I agree, they benefited enormously from the net contributors. I makes sense for a lot of EUSSR countries like Ireland. Not so much for a net contributor like the UK.

[gness]

We have been a net contributor for a very long time now, TTT and are still benefiting greatly. Perhaps kissing the Blarney Stone makes us better at negotiating. ;-)

[ToraToraTora]

hymie: "Whenever I point out that The Bank of England, the Office for Budget Responsibility, the Office for National Statistics, and the OECD all publish data showing what an absolute disaster Brexit is for the UK, TTT rubbishes them as 5C organisations." - stop it with the porkies hymie, where have I called any of those "5C organisations" ?. The 5C are people like you who rubbish the nation 10 times a week.

[Hymie]

TTT, surely it those organisations; The Bank of England, the Office for Budget Responsibility, the Office for National Statistics, and the OECD all publish data showing what an absolute disaster Brexit is for the UK, who are rubbishing the UK.