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Is The Uk Heading Towards A Partial Return To The E/U.
Senior members of Sunak's Govt are reportedly planning to move Britain into a Swiss Style agreement with The E.U. Govt sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade means moving towards an agreement. .... Is this the start of rejoining the E.U..
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Hymie It's so much worse than that. Remainers had one goal...to remain in the EU. But there are so many different kinds of Leaver. You had those who wants to opt for a soft Brexit, those who wanted a hard Brexit, those who wanted a combination of the two ( Canadian- style), and the Tory party has to balance those entrenched attitudes with the ERG-side of the party,...
15:42 Sun 20th Nov 2022
It'll all sort itself out in the end. The losers will complain and claim that they should have another crack because the ref was so badly organised and that there should have been a sensible winning threshold set. The winners will crow about their victory. Farridge will suddenly change his mind about whether or not a 52/48 victory was really a victory (depending on which way it went). Such is life.
The recent winners will claim that there must never be another referendum. The losers will claim that we should be able to vote again.
Ho, hum. We old folks will be dead soon, and our kids will have to sort it out.
The recent winners will claim that there must never be another referendum. The losers will claim that we should be able to vote again.
Ho, hum. We old folks will be dead soon, and our kids will have to sort it out.
//Whenever I point out that The Bank of England, the Office for Budget Responsibility, the Office for National Statistics, and the OECD all publish data showing what an absolute disaster Brexit is for the UK, TTT rubbishes them as 5C organisations.//
Then have a crack at interpreting the figures I provided, Hymie. They were taken from this document, published in the Commons Library:
https:/ /common slibrar y.parli ament.u k/resea rch-bri efings/ sn02784 /#:~:te xt=In%2 0Q3%202 022%2C% 20the%2 0UK,Q3% 202022% 20was%2 00.4%25 %20lowe r.
//We have been a net contributor for a very long time now,…//
Since 2018, actually, so hardly a "very long time". From 1973 up to 2018 Ireland was a net recipient of over €40 billion in EU funds. The country is now a net contributor and Ireland's average net contribution from 2018-2020 stood at €377 million.
So, €40 billion received over 46 years (€875m a year) and €377m paid out for three years. Not a bad deal. In addition to that, Ireland is expected to receive some €915 million in grants from the EU's Covid recovery fund until the end of next year (thus all but wiping out the contributions made between 2018-20), and the state also received €2.47 billion in loans from a European Commission fund to protect against unemployment risks during the pandemic. And there’s more: Ireland will receive some €1.165 billion in grants from the fund set up to support countries most affected by Brexit.
So yes, you could say that Ireland is a net contributor to the EU budget – if you can find an accountant with enough creativity.
Then have a crack at interpreting the figures I provided, Hymie. They were taken from this document, published in the Commons Library:
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//We have been a net contributor for a very long time now,…//
Since 2018, actually, so hardly a "very long time". From 1973 up to 2018 Ireland was a net recipient of over €40 billion in EU funds. The country is now a net contributor and Ireland's average net contribution from 2018-2020 stood at €377 million.
So, €40 billion received over 46 years (€875m a year) and €377m paid out for three years. Not a bad deal. In addition to that, Ireland is expected to receive some €915 million in grants from the EU's Covid recovery fund until the end of next year (thus all but wiping out the contributions made between 2018-20), and the state also received €2.47 billion in loans from a European Commission fund to protect against unemployment risks during the pandemic. And there’s more: Ireland will receive some €1.165 billion in grants from the fund set up to support countries most affected by Brexit.
So yes, you could say that Ireland is a net contributor to the EU budget – if you can find an accountant with enough creativity.
//...surely it those organisations; The Bank of England, the Office for Budget Responsibility, the Office for National Statistics, and the OECD all publish data showing what an absolute disaster Brexit is for the UK, who are rubbishing the UK.//
Any views on the figures I published? Or do they not suit your narrative?
Any views on the figures I published? Or do they not suit your narrative?
TORATORATORA, the ROI has been a nett contributor since 2013 as per this link
https:/ /shorte st.link /8gm1
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Thanks Gulliver1
I completely understand those Brexiteers who argue that this hasn’t been a disaster for the country. No- not wants to be proven wrong.
By the way Gulliver1, a Sunday joke for you in thanks of the BA…
Q. How many Boris Johnson supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. None…He’ll just tell them he’s changed it and then sit around in the dark applauding.
I completely understand those Brexiteers who argue that this hasn’t been a disaster for the country. No- not wants to be proven wrong.
By the way Gulliver1, a Sunday joke for you in thanks of the BA…
Q. How many Boris Johnson supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. None…He’ll just tell them he’s changed it and then sit around in the dark applauding.
For NJ and TORATORATORA, from my link,
"Ireland’s payments to the EU budget in 2018 amounted to €2.5 billion, resulting in a net contribution of €0.7 billion. On a per capita basis, this is equivalent to €148 per person. Ireland is the second highest gross contributor per capita in the EU. Ireland became a net contributor in 2013 and since then (net) payments have increased significantly."
"Ireland’s payments to the EU budget in 2018 amounted to €2.5 billion, resulting in a net contribution of €0.7 billion. On a per capita basis, this is equivalent to €148 per person. Ireland is the second highest gross contributor per capita in the EU. Ireland became a net contributor in 2013 and since then (net) payments have increased significantly."
//... the ROI has been a nett contributor since 2013 as per this link//
Not according to this, they haven't, Corby:
https:/ /www.rt e.ie/ne ws/2021 /1025/1 255818- eu-audi tors-re port/
Nor this:
https:/ /irelan d.repre sentati on.ec.e uropa.e u/about -us/ben efits-e u-membe rship-i reland_ en
Not according to this, they haven't, Corby:
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Nor this:
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The OBR has crunched the numbers. And the UK is worse off out of Europe by 4% over the coming years (that’s the impact on the economy).
Brexit has NOT been beneficial financially for the country. The new trade deals have not happened.
George Eustice is now on record saying that the Australia deal (on which he worked) was bad for the UK.
In no way should we even contemplate a return to membership. That would be undemocratic - however every Leaver should be made to understand that they made a mistake which future generations will have to live with.
They balls-up.
And they were warned.
Brexit has NOT been beneficial financially for the country. The new trade deals have not happened.
George Eustice is now on record saying that the Australia deal (on which he worked) was bad for the UK.
In no way should we even contemplate a return to membership. That would be undemocratic - however every Leaver should be made to understand that they made a mistake which future generations will have to live with.
They balls-up.
And they were warned.
TTT
I’m sure you’re right. There’s also the return of sovereignty - being able to make up our own laws.
Which laws would be on your hit list for revocation?
And do you think that whilst this is happening it’ll take everyone’s minds and off the fact that they’re worse off fiscally because they were sold a crock?
And then there’s controlled immigration which would’ve been easier under the Dublin Regulation - but that’s moot now that we’ve left.
But on the upside:
People feel better about the future, we get out blue passports back, we’ll be able to buy spuds in pounds and ounces and we’ll get the crown back on pint glasses.
I’m sure you’re right. There’s also the return of sovereignty - being able to make up our own laws.
Which laws would be on your hit list for revocation?
And do you think that whilst this is happening it’ll take everyone’s minds and off the fact that they’re worse off fiscally because they were sold a crock?
And then there’s controlled immigration which would’ve been easier under the Dublin Regulation - but that’s moot now that we’ve left.
But on the upside:
People feel better about the future, we get out blue passports back, we’ll be able to buy spuds in pounds and ounces and we’ll get the crown back on pint glasses.
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