Fighting Talk?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/scotland-and-snp-will-find-another-way-to-independence-nicola-sturgeon-vows-12754088

[Togo]

Wrong Jim. EVEL was abandoned without a vote after the SNP voted down a Bill regarding shops being opened on Sundays in England at the third reading. Their reasoning being that it was a devolved issue in Scotland, however, changing it would impact the employment rights of Scottish citizens, which was a reserved matter. After this it was "decided" that EVEL was too complicated to both comply with UK parliamentary procedure and to deliver English independent legislation, so the decision was taken to abandon it. Still the West Lothian Question remains then. I am all for Independance for all of the UK member Countries, even happy to see the back of NI if that is what it takes. England is just as deserving of independence as any of the other 3 somewhat unwilling "partners". Time to let the Union go.

[Togo]

//EVEL was abandoned without a vote//

Written in haste. It should of course read "EVEL was abandoned without a vote by the English electorate".

[Togo]

The right of Scottish MPs to vote on English matters should have been ended in 1999, on the day when Holyrood opened its doors but Labour wanted to retain its Scottish contingent to supply a guaranteed majority at Westminster. Hah remind me again how that is going. Every contentious issue that the UK has goes right back to the Bliar years.

[JimF]

"to retain its Scottish contingent to supply a guaranteed majority at Westminster."

Wrong, Togo. People who trot that one out always seem to forget that, if you take Scotland out of Westminster, you reduce the number of seats by 59.

If you take every general election for the last 50 years and remove Scottish MPs, the winning party would have been the same apart from only two occasions.

[Togo]

In those days Jim the majority of those MPs would have been Labour. I also said "supply a guaranteed majority at Westminster". At Westminster. i.e. Commons votes during legislation.

[Togo]

I would of course further add that Bliar being in thrall (still is) to the EUSSR was doing their bidding when he slid the Devolution bills through the Houses. Brussels had long planned to divide the UK into more "manageable" components and Bliar was their poison. He was promised the Presidency for his treason, that went wrong for the vile traitor too.

[JimF]

"Bliar"

You know, that really doesn't give posts the kudos that posters think it does.

Does it get funnier and funnier every time?

[THECORBYLOON]

'It should of course read "EVEL was abandoned without a vote by the English electorate".'

It was purely a Parliamentary procedure
and as the public had no part in its introduction, why should they have had a say in its ending?

Regarding "the English electorate", did you mean voters who are English, voters in England or English Voters in England?

[Old_Geezer]

I don't believe it is meant to be funny but to continue to underline heartfelt feelings.

[Togo]

//Regarding "the English electorate", did you mean voters who are English, voters in England or English Voters in England?//

Does the "Welsh electorate mean Welsh voters only? Does Scottish voter mean Scottish voters only?

Electorate Def. Collins Dictionary.
"the body of all qualified voters" Noun

"The electorate of a country or area is all the people in it who have the right to vote in an election." Countable Noun.

Easy enough to understand for most isn't it.