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Palace Racism
Ngozi Fulani was asked where she was originally from mmm, whats the problem there
it's not what or was considered a british christian name, i assume the palace get people from around the globe visiting, so why the big hoo haa.
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it's not what or was considered a british christian name, i assume the palace get people from around the globe visiting, so why the big hoo haa.
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I think that the lady was asking where her family originated from. I think that is a genuine question, maybe not the time nor the place but it is hardly a major issue.
17:51 Wed 30th Nov 2022
The lady-in-waiting did NOT ask “Where is your family from?”
The moment Lady Susan heard Hackney she should’ve clocked.
It’s so very simple. If you want to know someone’s heritage, you can say, “Where do your family hail from?”
You don’t badger them if they say they’re from somewhere in the UK.
But this isn’t racism - it’s just ignorance mixed with a little bit of stupidity.
The moment Lady Susan heard Hackney she should’ve clocked.
It’s so very simple. If you want to know someone’s heritage, you can say, “Where do your family hail from?”
You don’t badger them if they say they’re from somewhere in the UK.
But this isn’t racism - it’s just ignorance mixed with a little bit of stupidity.
fender62
“when i lived in the states for a while, i often heard people ask, where are your parents ancestors originally from”
And that’s exactly what Ladt Susan didn’t do.
She didn’t say, “Where’s your family from?” She asked, where are YOU from and would not accept the answer that she was from the UK.
“when i lived in the states for a while, i often heard people ask, where are your parents ancestors originally from”
And that’s exactly what Ladt Susan didn’t do.
She didn’t say, “Where’s your family from?” She asked, where are YOU from and would not accept the answer that she was from the UK.
The lady was elderly and probably not 'up' on everything that is going on.
well yeah, but that is a statement and not a reason or excuse. Leddy must have met non-pinko anglo-saxons some time before in her life.
Bofe my parents were not born in England but I regard myself as English - and neither of THEIR nationalities. wasnt corbo born in Zam? does he say he is Zambian?
well yeah, but that is a statement and not a reason or excuse. Leddy must have met non-pinko anglo-saxons some time before in her life.
Bofe my parents were not born in England but I regard myself as English - and neither of THEIR nationalities. wasnt corbo born in Zam? does he say he is Zambian?
It's interesting, and I don;t wish to assume anything here - let's face it, that behaviour is what's generated this post in the first place - but I am willing to bet, and do correct me if I am wrong, that all those who are inferring that this is fuss about nothing, are all white British.
As the lady in question has pointed out, as parents of immigrants, she has grown up experiencing violent racism as a daily occurrence, and it's likely that it has made her somewhat sensitive about instances of it in her life, regardless of whether they were 'intended' or not.
Of further interest, is the defence of the cuplrit, on the basis of her age, possible autism, senility, and so on, as though because she is old, appalling bad manners are acceptable.
They are not.
Her age, experience and position, should have made her less ignorant of social graces, not more, and if she is unable to conduct conversation with people without arguing about her bigoted assumptions, she should not be in public, never mind at a palace function.
As far as I am concerned, defending the finer points of whether her attitude was 'racism' or 'ignorance', is rather like arguing about domestic violence - he didn't punch her, as such, he just slapped her, as though that somehow makes it excusable.
Regardless of the lady's explained sensitivity to racist attitudes, simply as a guest at a function, she was subjected to rudeness and offence from a bigoted reactionary old biddy who thinks all 'darkies' are 'foreign', and she has the right to know where they have been brought over from.
It was unacceptable, and minimising it or explaining it away as simply being the result of age and a 'different time' is simply not good enough.
Ignorance and bigotry are defeated if we call them out, not if we simply smile and shrug our shoulders, as several on here are keen to do.
As the lady in question has pointed out, as parents of immigrants, she has grown up experiencing violent racism as a daily occurrence, and it's likely that it has made her somewhat sensitive about instances of it in her life, regardless of whether they were 'intended' or not.
Of further interest, is the defence of the cuplrit, on the basis of her age, possible autism, senility, and so on, as though because she is old, appalling bad manners are acceptable.
They are not.
Her age, experience and position, should have made her less ignorant of social graces, not more, and if she is unable to conduct conversation with people without arguing about her bigoted assumptions, she should not be in public, never mind at a palace function.
As far as I am concerned, defending the finer points of whether her attitude was 'racism' or 'ignorance', is rather like arguing about domestic violence - he didn't punch her, as such, he just slapped her, as though that somehow makes it excusable.
Regardless of the lady's explained sensitivity to racist attitudes, simply as a guest at a function, she was subjected to rudeness and offence from a bigoted reactionary old biddy who thinks all 'darkies' are 'foreign', and she has the right to know where they have been brought over from.
It was unacceptable, and minimising it or explaining it away as simply being the result of age and a 'different time' is simply not good enough.
Ignorance and bigotry are defeated if we call them out, not if we simply smile and shrug our shoulders, as several on here are keen to do.
Seems a bit of a storm in a teacup to me. No doubt the offended lady was not pleased, but I think one can take it that an elderly lady was simply asking about the family origins, and unlikely being deliberately racist. Probably had no idea what the reaction to her conversation would be. Like many things, one needs to ascertain the intent and to tolerate with good humour actions or words for which one isn't in favour but where no offence is likely to be meant.
Absolutely right O_G! I would probably have asked, out of polite interest, where the lady and her family originated, given that her name is not English. Storm in a teacup.
I come from Yorkshire - and we always like to know if the person we are speaking to, if not Yorkshire, is from Lancashire or other points North or South. This is really a very stupid witch-hunt.
I come from Yorkshire - and we always like to know if the person we are speaking to, if not Yorkshire, is from Lancashire or other points North or South. This is really a very stupid witch-hunt.
//No doubt the offended lady was not pleased, but I think one can take it that an elderly lady was simply asking about the family origins, and unlikely being deliberately racist.//
Do you think that if the "offended lady" had been asked the same question by say ... Oprah Winfrey or Dianne Abbot that she would have been similarly affronted? Or would she have regaled them with tales about her distant relatives being lottery princes and jewel mine owners Geezer?
Do you think that if the "offended lady" had been asked the same question by say ... Oprah Winfrey or Dianne Abbot that she would have been similarly affronted? Or would she have regaled them with tales about her distant relatives being lottery princes and jewel mine owners Geezer?
AH: 19:59.
That's the worst post I've seen from you so far.
"I am willing to bet, and do correct me if I am wrong, that all those who are inferring that this is fuss about nothing, are all white British."
I am willing to bet, and do correct me if I am wrong, that most posters here are white british.
"Of further interest, is the defence of the cuplrit, on the basis of her age, possible autism, senility, and so on, as though because she is old, appalling bad manners are acceptable."
You call her 'the culprit', and then go on to suggest characteristics she might have. Would you accuse an autistic person of being unempathetic, or a 'senile' person of being unacceptable?
The rest of your stuff is equally presumptuous and offensive.
That's the worst post I've seen from you so far.
"I am willing to bet, and do correct me if I am wrong, that all those who are inferring that this is fuss about nothing, are all white British."
I am willing to bet, and do correct me if I am wrong, that most posters here are white british.
"Of further interest, is the defence of the cuplrit, on the basis of her age, possible autism, senility, and so on, as though because she is old, appalling bad manners are acceptable."
You call her 'the culprit', and then go on to suggest characteristics she might have. Would you accuse an autistic person of being unempathetic, or a 'senile' person of being unacceptable?
The rest of your stuff is equally presumptuous and offensive.
It's hard to think of something more obviously racist than asking somebody where they are from and, upon hearing their answer, telling them that you do not believe them. And then reaching this judgement based on their skin colour. And then basically interrogating and speaking over them when they give you the same answer multiple times. And then fiddling uninvited with their hair. And then referring to "your people" as if they are somehow a separate race.
And, of course, not doing this when speaking to somebody who is white. If you're interacting with people differently based entirely on the colour of their skin... I mean, how else do you define racism?
Never mind how pathetically socially inept you have to be to recognise that maybe a certain line of questioning, whether it's objectively offensive or not, is unwelcome. Read. The. Room. It's not difficult.
And, of course, not doing this when speaking to somebody who is white. If you're interacting with people differently based entirely on the colour of their skin... I mean, how else do you define racism?
Never mind how pathetically socially inept you have to be to recognise that maybe a certain line of questioning, whether it's objectively offensive or not, is unwelcome. Read. The. Room. It's not difficult.
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