Scotland Passes 'Gender Choice' Laws

[Zacs-Master]

Does this have any bearing on your wish for Scotland to become independent?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64066938

[JimF]

Of course not.

But I definitely believe that Scotland has more pressing issues to be addressed - this could have waited...

[naomi24]

They want to self-identify.

[pixie374]

No, it's a separate issue, which is here too and being discussed. My only wish for Scotland to gain independence, is that, we too, could then be independent.

[Zacs-Master]

Who's 'we' Pix?

[pixie374]

England- and Wales, if they wish.

[Zacs-Master]

Independence from whom (assuming Scotland has already left as per your wish)?

[pixie374]

I wasn't assuming that, zacs. Independence from Scotland, I think many might vote for.

[ToraToraTora]

I don't see how it's possible to "choose" gender.

[ToraToraTora]

"The new rules lower the age that people can apply for a gender recognition certificate (GRC) to 16, and removes the need for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria." - So it's an attention seeking weirdo's charter! Right oh!

[douglas9401]

Those could prove to be some very expensive votes she's buying, rapists accessing women and perverts accessing children simply by claiming to be burdz.

Lessons won't be learned.

[ToraToraTora]

pixie: "My only wish for Scotland to gain independence, is that, we too, could then be independent. " - err but the intention is to bend the knee to the EUSSR ASAP hardly independence. It's just visceral hatred of England that's driving the "independence" brigade.

[wolf63]

TTT, I am much too tired and feeling ill to argue with your usual Scotland hates England rant. Its not true!

This law may please a minority of people but it is only the start of problems for women and children and their safety from sexual predators.

[dave50]

Ridiculous decision. Pandering to a tiny minority at the expense of proper women.

[rowanwitch]

For those in the very real trap of gender dysphoria it's an enlightened step, but they are a tiny minority in a population. I would prefer more stringent requirements for medical and psychiatric evidence not less. By giving this right to the proven, and evidenced cases they could reduce the risks from those who would abuse this. I really think the blanket acceptance of self-identification is wrong and only creates problems for those genuine cases.

[tiggerblue10]

Not sure whether it's a good thing or bad tbh. Good for genuine cases but I can see the cons too.

[ynnafymmi]

Doesnt make much difference to the vast majority of us Scots.Didnt Ray Davies(my hero)once sing"girls will be boys and boys will be girls"back in 1970.Im not a fan of these woke ideas,but,what the heck.

[fender62]

looks like these two brothers disagree with the snp magic money tree of independence..
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1712688/nicola-sturgeon-independence-obsession-cost-scotland-richest-brothers-easedale-update

[ToraToraTora]

Tigger: "Not sure whether it's a good thing or bad tbh. Good for genuine cases but I can see the cons too." - no it's bad for real cases very bad. Now when they turn 16 every attention seeking weirdo is going to self identify and cause no end of problems. The miniscule proportion of real cases will be swamped by the avalanche of imposters who think they can gain something. If there is such a thing as "Gender dysmorphia" it's very rare.

[New Judge]

//I don't see how it's possible to "choose" gender.//

It is because the term is now largely meaningless, Tora.

I don't really care how people dress, how they behave or what they call themselves. They can call themselves a horse for all I care, so long as they don't try to enter the Grand National. But, except in very rare circumstances, and certainly not on a simple whim, one cannot change one's sex. When men start to encroach on women only spaces and participate in women's sport, that is a step too far. I note the UK government says it has concerns about the legislation and could seek to prevent it becoming law by blocking Royal Assent. I don't hold much of a candle for the current mob in Westminster but in this instance I hope they work well to thwart this most ridiculous idea from the most absurd leader of the UK's most Rotten Borough.

[archibaldy]

Wrong-uns are going to abuse this, no doubt about it.

As far as I can tell, the goal of all this is about making people who actually care one way or the other for some reason or another, not care any more. And it won't do that.