Coronary Artery Disease Deaths Up 17% In Australia.

[royfromaus]

That's a huge jump.


Any ideas why?

[Gromit]

Togo,
TheConservativeWoman has been debunked on here many times on here as a bunch of anti-vaxxer nut jobs.
The Editor is a climate change denier.

[douglas9401]

Nowt wrong with denying climate change.

[naomi24]

Pixie, 21.51. If bobbin pushed people to get vaccinated he certainly wasn’t the only one.

[ichkeria]

Didn’t I read somewhere that heart disease was on the up here because during the lockdown fewer people had been prescribed statins.

This could be similar

[Sqad]

No idea.
Always suspicious of statistics. The inflammatory effects of Covid would be the obvious suspect. If this were true the data would be comparable in other compatible counties/health care systems.

[royfromaus]

UK excess deaths in the first week of January 30% higher than pre pandemic.

Why is this not all over my TV screen?

[royfromaus]

4,700 excess deaths in the first half of 2022 and 26,300 excess deaths in the second half.

I'm astounded this is being ignored by the government the MSM and shouty Answerbankers who were very formidable with their 'antivaxxer' diatribes

[LadyCG]

Many people gained weight over lockdown and in some cases a lot of weight. Mental health was affected and people were bored, anxious, etc. Those who were furloughed at 80% pay or lost their jobs and faced financial hardship might have made poor dietary choices.

[chelle7272]

//uestion Author4,700 excess deaths in the first half of 2022 and 26,300 excess deaths in the second half.

I'm astounded this is being ignored by the government the MSM and shouty Answerbankers who were very formidable with their 'antivaxxer' diatribes//

how are you relating excess deaths to vaccines??

[royfromaus]

People are dying of boredom?

[sunny-dave]

UK excess deaths *is* in the MSM (I've read about it in The Graun and The Times and The Indie) - and was discussed at length on Sky News the other day - but possibly not on the soundbite TV headlines - I don't see those.

For some interesting analysis (caution - includes proper number crunching), try reading this :

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-the-ons-monthly-mortality-analysis-for-england-and-wales-december-2022/

There are many reasons for the excess (for example - abnormal heat last summer, the omnishambles of NHS care, people emerging from lockdowns with reduced immune systems, Covid itself, and yes - even some vaccination related causes) - but using these stats to promote a distrust of Covid vaccinations would be dangerously naive. I do hope that's not what is intended here?

[royfromaus]

Are you saying the vaccine should not be questioned?

[sunny-dave]

Nope - question away - but don't use random scary numbers to promote your arguments.

FWIW (not much) I accept entirely that Covid vaccines have side effects and kill (a very few) people - and people should understand that there's no free lunch here.

But they should also be told that Covid vaccines have saved millions of lives, that the risks are tiny in proportion to the benefits, that without vaccines the world would be a much darker and emptier place and that vaccination could save their life too.

It's easy, now that we are living with a milder and less deadly version of Covid, to forget the appalling prospect that the world faced in 2020 - vaccines (and other measures) got us out of that hole - historical revisionism that "it was never that bad" is unhelpful at best and dangerous at worst.

[royfromaus]

Nope - question away - but don't use random scary numbers to promote your arguments.
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I can't use factual numbers...why is that?

[sunny-dave]

Being 'Factual' means giving not just the number, but the context and explanation - if you do that it's fine ... if you don't it's not.

I've given you my take on the excess numbers and on the efficacy of vaccines versus their dangers - what about you do the same?

https://fullfact.org/health/bbc-malhotra-vaccines-excess-deaths/#actions

[sunny-dave]

On second thoughts, I'm bored with obfuscations and you asking all the questions.

So - a direct question to you :

"Have vaccines saved many more lives than the number of people they have killed or seriously harmed?"

Failure to answer will mean I disengage now.

[youngmafbog]

//The Editor is a climate change denier.//

And there we have it yet again, no room for debate and if you dont agree with me with the new favoured term denier. We know your game repeat something enough and hint at links with holocaust deniers you will be the winner.

Well it dont wash mate.

[royfromaus]

"Have vaccines saved many more lives than the number of people they have killed or seriously harmed?"

I don't know.
So many lies about the powers of the vaccine were told by the powers that be that it is difficult to trust them.



Here's a question for you.

"Have vaccines saved more lives of young adults and kids than the number of young adults and kids they have killed or seriously harmed?"

[sunny-dave]

Yes - I believe that they have - looking at death and hospitalisation rates pre and post the start of vaccination. But if you provide me with hard evidence of huge numbers of excess deaths caused by vaccination in young people, rather than just waving around numbers that don't even prove correlation (let alone causation), then I'll reconsider.

It's a more difficult choice now as to whether to have a vaccine if you are young and fit - Covid is less deadly and immunity from past infection does a decent job too - but back in 2020/2021 I'd have taken the (tiny) risk.

The problem with

[sunny-dave]

Ignore the last three words - dunno where they came from.