Arts & Literature7 mins ago
Because I Refuse To Answer Any Of His Threads
I am putting this on here rather than Gulliver's latest attempt at crucifying the Tory party. As the news about Suella Braverman speeding has been reported by the Gruaniad how can anyone take it seriously when this appears on their page?
"The Guardian has spent the past 13 years tirelessly investigating the shortcomings of the Tories in office – austerity, Brexit, partygate, cronyism, the Truss debacle and the individual failings of ministers who behave as if the rules don’t apply to them.
Our work has resulted in resignations, apologies and policy corrections. Our continued revelations about the conveyor belt of Tory dysfunction are the latest in a long line of important scoops. And with an election just round the corner, we won’t stop now. It’s crucial that we can all make informed decisions about who is best to lead the UK. Will you invest in the Guardian this year?
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"Reporting like this is vital for democracy" - really? You think that is democracy?
"The Guardian has spent the past 13 years tirelessly investigating the shortcomings of the Tories in office – austerity, Brexit, partygate, cronyism, the Truss debacle and the individual failings of ministers who behave as if the rules don’t apply to them.
Our work has resulted in resignations, apologies and policy corrections. Our continued revelations about the conveyor belt of Tory dysfunction are the latest in a long line of important scoops. And with an election just round the corner, we won’t stop now. It’s crucial that we can all make informed decisions about who is best to lead the UK. Will you invest in the Guardian this year?
Unlike many others, the Guardian has no shareholders and no billionaire owner. Just the determination and passion to deliver high-impact global reporting, always free from commercial or political influence. Reporting like this is vital for democracy, for fairness and to demand better from the powerful."
"Reporting like this is vital for democracy" - really? You think that is democracy?
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"The Guardian has spent the past 13 years tirelessly investigating the shortcomings of the Tories in office"
well, who else has been in office over the past 13 years?
Investigating the opposition is usually pointless, they have no power to run people's lives. But any government should be held up for scrutiny.
well, who else has been in office over the past 13 years?
Investigating the opposition is usually pointless, they have no power to run people's lives. But any government should be held up for scrutiny.
If you have nothing to say about Gully’s posts - ignore them. Put the telly on and watch a repeat of the Antiques Roadshow’ or go for a lie down.
If TTT or YMB post something I disagree with, I do a bit of research and counter back with an answer backed up by a bit of data, or an different interpretation of the presented facts.
Just bullying Gully instead of trying to put him straight is just lazy.
If TTT or YMB post something I disagree with, I do a bit of research and counter back with an answer backed up by a bit of data, or an different interpretation of the presented facts.
Just bullying Gully instead of trying to put him straight is just lazy.
Nothing like turning to the Telegraph for an example of unbiased commentary...
The problem I have with the use of the words "smear campaign" is that, to me at least, that ought to imply that all the smears are made up, or at least heavily exaggerated. This wasn't made up, and it doesn't look exaggerated either (nor even is this an isolated incident).
As to the question of what Braverman has done wrong: it's not difficult to see what. In the first place, as Attorney General she was the Government's chief legal adviser. It stands to reason that someone whose job it is to advise on the law ought to follow it at all times. So, already, even a minor offence like speeding is falling short of the high standards of that office. Still, had it ended there with a swift apology I suspect most people would have moved on quickly. But it didn't, as she instead sought, or appeared to seek, any and all possible routes to avoid accountability or culpability. And of course it entirely clashes with the general message of upholding the rule of law.
More generally, it's about declining standards of high office. It is not, I think, a uniquely Tory trait to show contempt for such standards, but it *is* a trait common to Governments who have got too used to power, and too complacent as a result. In that sense, this is a sign of a Government nearing its end.
The problem I have with the use of the words "smear campaign" is that, to me at least, that ought to imply that all the smears are made up, or at least heavily exaggerated. This wasn't made up, and it doesn't look exaggerated either (nor even is this an isolated incident).
As to the question of what Braverman has done wrong: it's not difficult to see what. In the first place, as Attorney General she was the Government's chief legal adviser. It stands to reason that someone whose job it is to advise on the law ought to follow it at all times. So, already, even a minor offence like speeding is falling short of the high standards of that office. Still, had it ended there with a swift apology I suspect most people would have moved on quickly. But it didn't, as she instead sought, or appeared to seek, any and all possible routes to avoid accountability or culpability. And of course it entirely clashes with the general message of upholding the rule of law.
More generally, it's about declining standards of high office. It is not, I think, a uniquely Tory trait to show contempt for such standards, but it *is* a trait common to Governments who have got too used to power, and too complacent as a result. In that sense, this is a sign of a Government nearing its end.
"You think that is democracy?"
Nope democracy had led us to a situation where the ruling party has had three Prime Ministers since the last election, one a charismatic liar, the next a hopeless incompetent and the third competent but at the head of group of snake oil salesmen (and women). I feel sorry for Richy but he's leading a party that has become lazy and complacent after more than a decade of lack of opposition.
Khandro,
Many MPs have been done for speeding, that is not the story.
She tried to get a speed awareness course arranged for just herself, so that she was not publicly humiliated infront of other speeders who might be oiks. Then she denied the story when first confronted with it.
One law for them, and another for the rest of us.
Many MPs have been done for speeding, that is not the story.
She tried to get a speed awareness course arranged for just herself, so that she was not publicly humiliated infront of other speeders who might be oiks. Then she denied the story when first confronted with it.
One law for them, and another for the rest of us.
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