Trump Indicted... What Next?

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https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23893983/trump-indictment-aug-1.pdf

donald trump has been indicted for, among other things, conspiracy to defraud the united states due to his efforts to overturn the result of the 2020 election

it alleges that he tried to open sham fraud investigations to delegitimise the result and that he attempted to persuade mike pence to discount electoral college votes for joe biden

Trump has been summoned to appear in court on thursday.

what happens if they find him guilty? will things get violent?

[JDavis]

Are people on here seriously trying to defend Trump? Why mention Biden otherwise?

[youngmafbog]

And why not defend Mr Trump.

At present he is innocent. Trial by media and chanting Orange man bad doesnt count.

Biden is mentioned because of the double standards. Something is not quite right in the US at the moment and we need to be careful as it is creeping in here too.

[Zacs-Master]

‘ At present he is innocent’

At present he isn’t guilty. There’s a subtle difference.

[douglas9401]

Something has always been "not quite right" in the US, just not so public.

[youngmafbog]

Yeah whatever. Nit pickers are everywhere, doesnt make you look mclever you kow in fact quite the opposite.

[Zacs-Master]

What a strange outburst, YMB. Subtlety and nuance were never your strong point were they.

[youngmafbog]

Of course, lets hail the great ZM.

[Zacs-Master]

Strange person.

[youngmafbog]

You most certainly are.

[Zacs-Master]

I think TTT might need a hand on the transgender sports thread, YMB. Why don’t you do a few of your lapdog supportive posts for him?

[Peter Pedant]

Are people on here seriously trying to defend Trump?

well he allowed a defence ( In AB, this is why the regicides of Edward II were later acquitted, ( he of the red hot poker) - they were not allowed a defence. And even in 1350 this was just not on. The Treason Act 1351 was brought in to LIMIT the numbers caught by common law treason (*). This does make the word "indefensible" without a use.

His defence " seems to be" that he won the election. This has been tried and rejected even by trump appointee judges.
AND
he acted in good faith on advice given by lawyers

Both of which wont get up and run ( they say - dicunt, ferunt, sozza a little Latin there, Naomi).

dont delete post 24-30 - wanton stupid and off point.
gormlessness should have its day on AB

[tomus42]

Civil war probably wouldn't be the worst that could happen.

The Trump cultists, conspiracy nutters, neo-nazis, and anyone else trying to dismantle democracy over there need a good metaphorical kicking.

[Togo]

Err I haven't read any "support" for Trump on the thread There are questions about the Biden history of corruption and cover up though. This must trigger the hard of comprehension I suppose. Another thing to consider is that Trump will need to be found guilty and does not need to prove his innocence. Biden on the other hand has to prove his innocence as he is assumed guilty if he is impeached. That is why Congress and the machinery that enables it is dragging its heels and the prosecution of Trump is being hastened. I commented earlier that the lawyers are gradually seizing control of our political procedures and have the feeling that some are happy with that because it suits their purpose ... for now.

https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/glj63&div=64&id=&page=

[ClareTG0ld]

// Biden on the other hand has to prove his innocence as he is assumed guilty if he is impeached. //

I'm not sure that's true, but I'd be happy to be corrected on this point. What is true, at least, is that in order to secure a conviction following impeachment a two-thirds majority (67+) of the Senate have to vote "guilty", otherwise there's an acquittal.

In practice, this means that Biden will be safe for the same reason that Trump was, if there is a vote to impeach in the House.

[naomi24]

PP, you have been asked countless times over several years to leave me out of your drivel. I told you the other day that if you persist I will remove your posts. Take note - and if your posts disappear you'll know why. I won't say it again.

[Gromit]

^
Not sure mods should be threatening to use their power on other posters, let alone carrying out the threat. Sounds like an abuse of power to me.

[JDavis]

A bit of whataboutery on here - the thread's about Trump, not Biden.
Trump's phone call to Raffensperger asking him to subvert the Georgia election result is on public record and those who deny Trump incited the Capitol rioters are naive or disingenuous.

[ichkeria]

I am not sure what is worse: the charges against Trump or the fact he’s so far ahead among Republican voters. Great republicans like Reagan will be turning in their graves.

[Peter Pedant]

I told you the other day that if you persist I will remove your posts.

just seen this: I agree that mods should not use their powers to threaten fun posters poking a little fun at the high and mighty.

otherwise wd be an abuse of power.

Is there perhaps a latin tag for this?
yes - nemo iudex in sua causa - no one should be a judge in his own cause - oops I k now what will happen

and Naomi's script graphically and accurately shows why.

yes yes, this comment is within the rules, as it concerns LLaw ( roman law I admit) but hey I have to squeeze a little Latin in,

[Peter Pedant]

no or yes itch
everyone think he will pardon himself
or short circuit the prosecutions

which is fun as it would be obvious presidential interference in the judicial process of the greatest country on earth
which Trump is complaining about

I presume - you heard it here first - that the originalist Supreme Court as it now is, will say he cant ( pardon himself) as that was NOT the intention of the original framers of said constitution