Some Time Ago I Suggested That The Zionists Might Want A Ratio...

[sandyRoe]

...10-1 of deaths as revenge for the Hamas attack on them.  I thought that they'd look for a number about 20,000.

Are they close to that yet?

[Mozz71]

Tora, you'll have to forgive my ignorance, as I'm not well versed in the politics behind Palestinian rule, but didn't Hamas take over Gaza by force, rather than election? Rule by fear, with a population whose average age means that many weren't even born when Hamas came to power? I'm happy to be corrected on this.

[Khandro]

The curious thing is that the Palestinians have more 'support' on AB and the streets of London than they have from their Middle Eastern neighbours who don't like them much at all.

Jordan doesn't want them, having had such bad experiences with Fatah &  Yasser Arafat, and Egypt only gave them the Gaza strip to get rid of them.

My son travels much on business in the Middle East & says no one seems likes them, they seem to be filled with hate and continually whining. If all the money which has been given to their elected leaders Hamas had been put to better use, Gaza might now be a thriving little state.

[ToraToraTora]

...well no force was needed they won the previous palistine elections in 2006 and then took it as read that included gaza. There was no opposing fgorce in gaza.

[ToraToraTora]

... bit like Hitler taking over Austria.

[naomi24]

Mozz, I think Hamas was elected.

[Mozz71]

Thanls for your replies, reading up things are far from black and white (as usual with middle-eastern politics. Hamas narrowly won the elections of 2006 and formed a unified government with Fatah (the former PLO). That fell apart when Hamas launched a military campaign against Gaza the year after, killing or expelling all Fatah policians from the area. Now Hamas run Gaza and Fatah the rest of Palestine.

So there's been no elections there in 17 years? Sounds like they're overdue.

[Atheist]

Just to edit your post a bit -

The curious thing is that the Israelis have more 'support' on AB and the streets of London than they have from their Middle Eastern neighbours who don't like them much at all.

Just as true as your original sentence? Or truer?

[Atheist]

The above was for Khandro.

 

[Mozz71]

Only the ones who stand to lose power if voted out Tora, like any political party.

[naomi24]

Atheist, I haven't seen much support for Israelis on the streets of London.  

[royfromaus]

Bill Clinton on how *** up it is.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/bill-clinton-palestinians-israel-223176

There appears to be only one solution.

[Atheist]

That's true Naomi, there aren't any Jewish marches. But on the whole I think Israel is or has been given more support by the UK than Palestine. Unfortunately, their fierce response to the Hamas atrocities is slowly eroding international support for Israel. The awful result is that Jews in the UK and elsewhere, who had nothing to do with the Israeli govt's response are being targeted by idiots and people with grudges.

 

[Khandro]

"One of the older hostages is Yaffa Adar, an 85-year-old grandmother who cannot make it to the bathroom on her own. She was stolen from her bed by Hamas and driven on a golf cart by a group of Hamas terrorists. Footage of the abduction shows the sheer elation of these young men in their great military success at abducting a sickly, elderly grandmother. Her granddaughter spoke to me [Douglas Murray] this week about the horror of thinking about her grandmother under Gaza without the basic medicines she needs to survive."

 

Where is the outrage?

[Khandro]

about the above and the other hostages, article concludes,

"Here is my question. Where is the international campaign? Where are the actresses? Where are the prominent influencers who aren’t Jewish? There have been posters put up outside Israel, but from London to New York these are more famous for being ripped down than for being displayed. So I repeat, where is the campaign? And why has it not caught on?"

[ichkeria]

There was a big demo in Paris a couple of days back

[DTCwordfan]

Khandro, because many people out there don't care what goes on and wish that the Israelis, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Palestinians would all implode - and then more concern can be directed to what's going on with Ukraine and Putain's hordes.

Well done, DC, for going to see Zelinsky first.

 

[naomi24]

Khandro, the outrage is nowhere to be seen.  Hamas is the scum of the earth.

[ichkeria]

"Well done, DC, for going to see Zelensky first"

Hear hear. I feel another Ukraine thread coming on. Personally, I do care about Palestine too but I don't happen to agree that a ceasefire as opposed to humanitarian pauses are any more feasible or advisable there than in Ukraine.

 

[ynnafymmi]

@16.06.This whole terrorists versus Jews war was started by Putin and the Iranians to take the heat out of Putins failed war against the Ukrainian people.Both wars are inter-connected.